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re: 2022 Recruiting Thread
Posted on 7/6/21 at 10:14 am to metafour
Posted on 7/6/21 at 10:14 am to metafour
I don't post often and only check this thread once every other day, but I swear every time I look at this thread we've hit a new peak or trough on the roller coaster of recruiting emotions. 
In my humble opinion, I do not believe there is any material correlation between this years recruiting class and years' 2-3 recruiting classes given timing of the hires, pandemic, momentum, etc. Certainly not enough correlation to accurately predict failure or success.
I could be very wrong, obviously, but I hope not.
In my humble opinion, I do not believe there is any material correlation between this years recruiting class and years' 2-3 recruiting classes given timing of the hires, pandemic, momentum, etc. Certainly not enough correlation to accurately predict failure or success.
I could be very wrong, obviously, but I hope not.
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Posted on 7/6/21 at 10:59 am to Niner
The usual people are in pout mode. Happens every year.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:21 am to metafour
quote:Just for full disclosure.. I think 1 of our transfers we're ranked in top 100 transfers this year. Most we're either local kids coming back closer to home or transferring to a bigger school. I think we added some solid players, so don't take that as me saying otherwise. We didn't land any of the top transfers though.
Then explain the transfer portal success. Or do you believe they know how to recruit transfers, but not HS kids...for some reason? Juxtapose us doing extremely well in the transfer portal vs. Tennessee which lost half their team, and then look at HS recruiting where Tennessee is loading up on low 3-stars while we seemingly "can't get a commit from anyone". We literally cancelled the OV of a WR who was about to commit a few weeks ago. They are, in fact, being selective and this is expected to be a small class. The Emory Floyd kid went to USCar because they put priority on him and we didn't. Some of this is also going to come down to accepting that perhaps they aren't recruiting the players that you want them to recruit.
It's really not going as bad as it "appears", I promise. Lost in the shuffle is that 4* RB Damari Alston is looking more and more likely every day, on top of Riley-Ducker, Story, Pollard, McPherson, etc.
I think if you're paying attention its going about exactly as bad as it appears. Not good (but not horrible yet), last in the SEC right now, but still getting a few good players and have a shot for a 20-25 ranked class. We're a few misses away from it being horrible though.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:26 am to jt33
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I think if you're paying attention its going about exactly as bad as it appears. Not good (but not horrible yet), last in the SEC right now, but still getting a few good players and have a shot for a 20-25 ranked class. We're a few misses away from it being horrible though.
I mean, it is terrible right now. I mean its very bad. You cant cover that up. And shooting for a top 20-25 class is bad for Auburn.
Im sorry but there is nothing exciting about Harsin and the recruiting is showing that. You are not going to compete, even at the level we have been the past few years, with Boise talent
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:27 am to CorchJay
quote:Coach I gotta question you a little on this one..
I don’t think we are being picky I just don’t think we have good recruiters as a whole. Bobo and Friend are good. I expect we will get some OL. We already have our QB. Caddie has shown he’s very average on the trail.
I'll give Bobo credit for Geriner, but he's still OC right now offensive recruiting is lagging big time.
Friend hasn't landed an commitment in the class yet and has struck out on pretty much every target so far. I think the only guy left is Bobo and he might be leaning elsewhere too.
Caddy isn't doing great, but if he lands Alston then that changes. Get Judkins too and he will have the best group out of all the coaches this year.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:34 am to LanierSpots
quote:I'm trying to be as balanced as I can be. Its fair to point out that we will probably get the #1 K, Caden Story, Alston and Micah Riley Ducker. I think those are all really good players. If we miss 1 or 2 of those, or if we miss on a few other players that's when I think it turns into horrible.. gotta leave room to go down lol.
I mean, it is terrible right now. I mean its very bad. You cant cover that up. And shooting for a top 20-25 class is bad for Auburn.
Im sorry but there is nothing exciting about Harsin and the recruiting is showing that. You are not going to compete, even at the level we have been the past few years, with Boise talent
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:11 pm to jt33
Honest question, what can our coaches tell recruits to attract them other than it being Auburn University?
They can point to their past coaching tenures at other programs, but anyone in their right mind has to admit Auburn football is a hard sell right now as a brand new coach until we get a product on the field. Then they can actually show recruits how players develop and can benefit in their system AT AUBURN and it won't be showing film from Harsin's glory days at Boise State or Mason's Vanderbilt defenses.
This is why I am not terribly surprised that the Auburn name alone isn't hauling in top tier talent with what Gus left on the field.
They can point to their past coaching tenures at other programs, but anyone in their right mind has to admit Auburn football is a hard sell right now as a brand new coach until we get a product on the field. Then they can actually show recruits how players develop and can benefit in their system AT AUBURN and it won't be showing film from Harsin's glory days at Boise State or Mason's Vanderbilt defenses.
This is why I am not terribly surprised that the Auburn name alone isn't hauling in top tier talent with what Gus left on the field.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:14 pm to jt33
WarDeamEagleWDE, one of the more well-known (often negative) posters on another board who often has solid info, thinks we get 9 commits before the season starts. Says recruiting is not in the tank, but is 10X more organized than under Gus and is run more like our competitors. Says to stay patient until October and if its still the same then you can panic.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:15 pm to jt33
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Just for full disclosure.. I think 1 of our transfers we're ranked in top 100 transfers this year. Most we're either local kids coming back closer to home or transferring to a bigger school. I think we added some solid players, so don't take that as me saying otherwise. We didn't land any of the top transfers though.
We landed three players in the Top 100: Dreshun Miller (#32), TJ Finley (#59), and Donovan Kaufman (#76) and that is also under the context that the transfer rankings are biased towards HS recruiting rankings and guys like Marcus Harris and Eku Leota were docked for that. In reality, we picked up a ton of under-regarded players who have already shown to be high performers - kind of exactly what you'd expect out of a guy coming from Boise State who is well ahead of the game in terms of evaluation. If you look at the rankings, you'll see Big Kat Bryant at #71 and Nate Craig-Myers at #92 despite years of middling performance. We did extremely well in the portal and most importantly we evaluated players, and didn't just look for high-starred retreads and "hype" targets. You'll see that when they actually hit the field.
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I think if you're paying attention its going about exactly as bad as it appears. Not good (but not horrible yet), last in the SEC right now
We're last in the SEC because we have three commitments - half as many as Ole Miss who is 2nd last. On average rating we are actually 8th in the SEC. Again, there is nothing "great" happening with 2022 recruiting right now, but unless you think we only have 3 commitments because we literally can't get ANYONE to want to come here, then it really is not going as bad as it appears. We have 3 commitments because they in fact ARE being selective and they ARE being patient. And they ARE expecting this to be a small class and they ARE considering leaving spots open to even more transfer portal players after the season.
The main thing that should be emphasized is that the staff themselves are not panicking in the least. If that was the case, you would see them rushing to take what they can get like Tennessee has been doing. They are also being extremely tight lipped and apart from a few targets, I don't think anyone really knows what their board looks like.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:32 pm to metafour
I stand corrected about some of the transfers then. Just curious which list you're using for the transfers? Mine was outdated, but the only other one I saw still had different rankings than you listed (Still ranked just different spots)
I mostly agree with you're 2nd point too. Finishing in the 20-25 range would put us above a few of those SEC teams. I don't buy the whole super selective thing though. You don't go from using an OV on someone, hearing how good the staff feels about them and wants them, and then they go to another school and suddenly its because we got picky.
The staff isn't panicking, but they've had to change strategies already and there we're some staff who weren't happy with the way we used our OVs and the areas we we're focusing on.
I mostly agree with you're 2nd point too. Finishing in the 20-25 range would put us above a few of those SEC teams. I don't buy the whole super selective thing though. You don't go from using an OV on someone, hearing how good the staff feels about them and wants them, and then they go to another school and suddenly its because we got picky.
The staff isn't panicking, but they've had to change strategies already and there we're some staff who weren't happy with the way we used our OVs and the areas we we're focusing on.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:51 pm to metafour
The portal has provided bodies. What success are you talking about though. We got kids from SEMO, Vandy, central Michigan, UAB, etc…. The Kaufman kid from Vandy has promise but what did he play like 4 games before injury. We were able to just get an absolute “steal” from LSU raiding them of their 3rd string QB. Such success!! The kid from West Virginia is a very solid pickup. I expect him to start opposite of McCreary if he learns the system fast enough.
We have to compare ourselves against our rivals go look who Bama and Uga have pick up in the portal and tell me if we have had success.
We have to compare ourselves against our rivals go look who Bama and Uga have pick up in the portal and tell me if we have had success.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 1:02 pm to jt33
At this stage recruiting all is about winning and something not easily settled until later this fall.
Like Metafour said if this staff wanted bodies I honestly believe they could have gone that route and then the rest of us would pissed off too. And ever how they wish it, not telling us now or why doesn't bother me at this point, because I'm still hoping they're playing for end game instead of making bloggers, coaches, and know-it-all's happy today.
Like Metafour said if this staff wanted bodies I honestly believe they could have gone that route and then the rest of us would pissed off too. And ever how they wish it, not telling us now or why doesn't bother me at this point, because I'm still hoping they're playing for end game instead of making bloggers, coaches, and know-it-all's happy today.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 1:17 pm to awestruck
If Gus was the coach what would everyone be saying at this point?
Like I said no one is panicking just pointing out the obvious. And the obvious looks very bleak.
Like I said no one is panicking just pointing out the obvious. And the obvious looks very bleak.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 1:19 pm to CorchJay
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If Gus was the coach what would everyone be saying at this point?
We'd be saying the exact same thing if this was 2013 and Gus just got hired. Be patient, we are in a shite situation.
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Like I said no one is panicking
Last 3-4 pages says otherwise.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 1:55 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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We'd be saying the exact same thing if this was 2013 and Gus just got hired. Be patient, we are in a shite situation.
Gus signed a top 10 class his very first year having just a month. Its not comparable to what Harsin did this year. Then he signed another top 10 class his first full year. Not the same as what Harsin is doing right now.
The two situations are not comparable.
No one is panicking. Just because someone makes a statement that doesnt go along the "gang" lines here, it doesnt mean they are panicking. Everyone needs to stop being so defensive. Its a shite situation right now. Its easy for a person to see who is not emotionally connected to it. It may get better, Im sure everyone is hoping that it does. But like it or now, there is little positive things going on right now with it. Just call it what it is and move one. None of us are directly affected by it
Its crap. Lets hope it gets much better. That would be great..
Posted on 7/6/21 at 1:59 pm to jt33
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The staff isn't panicking,
I mean, how would we know? What are you basing that on? If they were panicking, Im sure they would not put that on twitter.
They could very well not be panicking but the had better be doing something different. It takes talent in the SEC. Not bodies. This is not the Sunbelt. We will get our asses handed to us regularly trying to coach up left over players as a whole
Posted on 7/6/21 at 2:03 pm to CorchJay
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The portal has provided bodies. What success are you talking about though. We got kids from SEMO, Vandy, central Michigan, UAB, etc…. The Kaufman kid from Vandy has promise but what did he play like 4 games before injury. We were able to just get an absolute “steal” from LSU raiding them of their 3rd string QB. Such success!! The kid from West Virginia is a very solid pickup. I expect him to start opposite of McCreary if he learns the system fast enough.
We have to compare ourselves against our rivals go look who Bama and Uga have pick up in the portal and tell me if we have had success
Corch, the LSU pickup was big, unless you're good with Loy as our backup? We brought in talent at the DE position, a big weakness last few years. Absolutely upgraded our secondary and got depth at RB. Only miss IMO was the OL (nobody wants to compete against all those seniors) and maybe a WR. I'd say we graded as a B+.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 2:04 pm to TheJones
Wasn't the biggest grip with Malzahn oline recruiting? I don't see any oline commits?
Posted on 7/6/21 at 2:05 pm to Scoper
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Wasn't the biggest grip with Malzahn oline recruiting? I don't see any oline commits?
Still baffling as hell. Experienced recruiter on that side of the ball too.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 2:06 pm to LanierSpots
Why are you panicking?
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