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re: Does the success of the Predators, Vegas Knights and ATL UTD make you loathe Atl Spirit?
Posted on 5/20/18 at 1:45 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 5/20/18 at 1:45 pm to WG_Dawg
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Why does the spirit group exist in the first place? I don't know much about the organization but it doesn't seem like the norm when it comes to sports ownership. Is there not an entity "over" them to be like 'hey, you guys fricking suck and aren't making teams better. Get your shite together'?
Nepotism. Those shitheads were nothing but a bunch of morons in over their head and one of them (Rutherford Seydel) also happened to be Ted Turner’s son-in-law.
frick ASG with a god damn cactus.
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Posted on 5/20/18 at 1:46 pm to tylerdurden24
Have hated ASG long before the Thrashers left.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 4:26 pm to tylerdurden24
What about when the Flames left? Hockey just doesn't work in Atlanta.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 4:27 pm to DoubleDown
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I don’t think it would’ve mattered. See the thread about which sport runs Atlanta. The general consensus is:
UGA Bulldog football
Atlanta Falcons
Atlanta Braves
Atlanta united
Hs football
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Hockey of any sort.
And the Hawks behind hockey of any sort.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 4:49 pm to tylerdurden24
Thrashers were definitely mismanaged but don't think they could have replicated AUFC
I have no statistics on hand, but I'm guessing the US growth of soccer as a spectator sport is booming while that isn't quite as true for hockey. Which means Atlanta United got here at exactly the right time.
Moreover, Atlanta United benefited from two things, IMO
1) Most people in Atlanta, transplants and natives alike, having no MLS loyalty
2) A young, progressive contingent who may not have cared all that much for other pro/college sports and who can therefore throw tons of money and time and enthusiasm into AUFC.
Some of that may be true for hockey, too, I just think it's harder to envision.
I have no statistics on hand, but I'm guessing the US growth of soccer as a spectator sport is booming while that isn't quite as true for hockey. Which means Atlanta United got here at exactly the right time.
Moreover, Atlanta United benefited from two things, IMO
1) Most people in Atlanta, transplants and natives alike, having no MLS loyalty
2) A young, progressive contingent who may not have cared all that much for other pro/college sports and who can therefore throw tons of money and time and enthusiasm into AUFC.
Some of that may be true for hockey, too, I just think it's harder to envision.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 5:39 pm to Korin
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What about when the Flames left? Hockey just doesn't work in Atlanta.
The 1970s were a bit different time in Atlanta as well as the NHL. The Omni was a total dump even before the Flames got there, there wasn't a standard TV contract for NHL teams to tap into, and the population of Atlanta was vastly different than it is now. Plus, Tom Cousins just didn't have the funds to keep the franchise afloat.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 6:37 pm to pvilleguru
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How is it easier to get to than using MARTA?
If you're out in Cobb, that's a little too far. Or people would be hesitant getting back so late at night after games.
At least that's what I can remember.
I'm just really jealous of the atmosphere the Preds created. I wish Atlanta would have been able to do that, but obviously having a good team helps that tremendously. Love what ATL UTD has done so far.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 7:18 pm to Dawgsontop34
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The Braves record was almost identical in 2016 to 2017, but 6,000 more people a game went to Sun Trust. That's a huge difference. It was a better environment, and easier access from Cobb.
That also has a lot to do with the new stadium and surrounding amenities. It's an observable economic phenomenon that ticket sales and attendance will spike in the ifrst 3 years after a new stadium opens regardless of the product on the field, court, or ice. The novelty of the location and experience itself will draw people in for at least a few years. That's why so many owners can bamboozle idiot county commissioners and mayors into entering into garbage stadium deals that put the vast majority of future earnings back into owners pockets: the immediate illusion of a return on investment is too tantalizing to pass up (even though there is little evidence to suggest a new stadium has any meaningful economic impact on a given area; most of the money for parking and everything associated with thestadium goes back to the owner and not the county).
Posted on 5/20/18 at 7:21 pm to Korin
I think with the right ownership and enough on ice success, Atlanta could absolutely be a hockey town. Living in Dallas, which is very similar to Atlanta in terms of demographics, infrastructure, and competing franchises, it’s fun to see this city embrace hockey like it does. They have incredible fan support for AUFC, I fail to see why the same kind of support couldn’t translate to hockey.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 7:40 pm to Dawgsontop34
quote:Cobb isn't the only place people live.
If you're out in Cobb, that's a little too far.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:32 pm to pvilleguru
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Cobb isn't the only place people live.
This is a map showing where most single game ticket buyers come from for Braves games.
Moving the stadium to Cobb was smart because it moved the experience to a more accessible area, that just so happened to also fit right in the middle between ITP fans and the masses of fans in the surrounding metro and beyond.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 5/20/18 at 10:20 pm to DirtyDawg
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This is a map showing where most single game ticket buyers come from for Braves games.
Pretty sure we were talking about Thrasher games.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 10:36 pm to pvilleguru
My bad. I saw the initial conversation mentioned SunTrust and the Braves so I thought it carried over.
My point still remains to anyone who randomly wants to look at that.
My point still remains to anyone who randomly wants to look at that.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 5/20/18 at 10:43 pm to tylerdurden24
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Plus, Tom Cousins just didn't have the funds to keep the franchise afloat.
He didn't have the capital to keep his real estate business afloat. The flames were making money. But he had to liquidate to save cousins properties which were leveraged to the hilt (i.e. Trump hits a simolar issue and opts to file ch11 bankruptcy. Cousins sold a hockey team).
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 5/20/18 at 10:56 pm to tylerdurden24
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The Omni was a total dump even before the Flames got there, t
What?Is was a brand new facility when the Flames started playing there.Went to numerous Flames games as a kid.The area surrounding the Omni was a dump but facility itself was fine for the era it was built.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 5/20/18 at 11:03 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I'm just really jealous of the atmosphere the Preds created. I wish Atlanta would have been able to do that, but obviously having a good team helps that tremendously. Love what ATL UTD has done so far.
I miss Blueland. The atmosphere over the 2nd half of the one playoff season was awesome. Unfortunately the management felt that it wasn't worth the investment to build on the success they finally achieved.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 5/20/18 at 11:59 pm to tylerdurden24
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Vegas has the country's largest gambling scene and Nashville has the Titans (forgettable as they are). And this doesn't account for why Atlanta United has taken off to the degree that it has.
Nashville's minor league baseball team also averaged 8800 per game last year(highest in PCL), and is averaging 8000 this year, and school isnt even over.
The new soccer club in Nashville had to move their games to the baseball stadium and Nissan Stadium after one game because of the high demand.
Nashville is a great sports city.
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 12:05 am
Posted on 5/21/18 at 4:04 am to RD Dawg
It was one of the only major sports arenas to not have any kind of club seating available. It was widely considered to be outdated by the time construction wrapped up
I have my fair share of memories from the Omni as well but it’s different for a schmuck like me going a few times a year and trying to develop a lasting interest with a crowd that can buy club packages. If you don’t even have the club product to offer then your product on the ice isn’t going to be able to cash in for you
I have my fair share of memories from the Omni as well but it’s different for a schmuck like me going a few times a year and trying to develop a lasting interest with a crowd that can buy club packages. If you don’t even have the club product to offer then your product on the ice isn’t going to be able to cash in for you
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 4:07 am
Posted on 5/21/18 at 7:33 am to pvilleguru
quote:I've been to several
You been to an AUFC match? They average 45K+ and hispanics are easily still a minority.
I'm talking about overall citywide support, not just asses in seatsPosted on 5/21/18 at 8:01 am to The Nino
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I've been to several I'm talking about overall citywide support, not just asses in seats
You are wrong here.
The Hispanic population (which was 10% in the metro area in 2010) is not driving Atlanta United popularity at all.
This team is huge with the young white professional crowd throughout the city.
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