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re: So it’s not Bobby
Posted on 10/28/25 at 9:39 pm to Razorback Reverend
Posted on 10/28/25 at 9:39 pm to Razorback Reverend
Yeah that’s just dumb to water down Petrino’s success here.
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 6:58 am to TheCheshireHog
Don't get me wrong, Bobby did great for us but it's not like he pulled a Nick Saban here.
17-15 in the SEC with a Sugar Bowl loss and a Cotton Bowl win, 0 Division titles, 0 conference titles, and 0 national championships. We wouldve needed a 12 team playoff to have a NC shot both years we won 10 or more games.
And by a lot of accounts we had peaked in 2011 and his lackluster recruiting was going to catch up to us.
That was 14 years ago and since then he hasn't exactly set the world on fire, but did set Louisville on fire his second go-round there. There are better routes to go than trying to revive past success with the same guy.
17-15 in the SEC with a Sugar Bowl loss and a Cotton Bowl win, 0 Division titles, 0 conference titles, and 0 national championships. We wouldve needed a 12 team playoff to have a NC shot both years we won 10 or more games.
And by a lot of accounts we had peaked in 2011 and his lackluster recruiting was going to catch up to us.
That was 14 years ago and since then he hasn't exactly set the world on fire, but did set Louisville on fire his second go-round there. There are better routes to go than trying to revive past success with the same guy.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:58 am to dammitbert
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Don't get me wrong, Bobby did great for us but it's not like he pulled a Nick Saban
Yes, by all means, let's use the GOAT who was coaching at one of the CFB meccas as our measuring stick.
Who, if one wanted to use some people's reasoning, you could say bolted to the NFL because he saw the writing on the wall with the drop-off from 2003 to 2004 at LSU. Stupid? Yes, almost as stupid as people acting like they 100 percent know what happens IF Bobby gets the job. It's a crap shoot no matter who gets the job. quote:
17-15 in the SECwith a Sugar Bowl loss and a Cotton Bowl win, 0 Division titles, 0 conference titles, and 0 national championships.
His first two years were with mostly Hootie players. What was his conference record the last two years? 12-4, only two teams did better.
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And by a lot of accounts we had peaked in 2011 and his lackluster recruiting was going to catch up to us.
Pure speculation to say he'd peaked in 2011 without any proof to back it up. Recruiting was going to catch up to us based on what, rankings? We all know, most players are going to see a drop in rankings once they sign with some schools and get a bump just by signing with some others.
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That was 14 years ago and since then he hasn't exactly set the world on fire, but did set Louisville on fire his second go-round there.
How? There have been plenty of us post about why this isn't true. Please take the time to explain why it is. Other than pointing the one, and only, losing season he had out of nine there.
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There are better routes to go than trying to revive past success with the same guy.
Maybe, maybe not. Only time will tell either way unless you're some kind of modern day Nostradamus.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:30 am to dammitbert
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17-15 in the SEC with a Sugar Bowl loss and a Cotton Bowl win, 0 Division titles, 0 conference titles, and 0 national championships. We wouldve needed a 12 team playoff to have a NC shot both years we won 10 or more games.
And by a lot of accounts we had peaked in 2011 and his lackluster recruiting was going to catch up to us.
2010 - 2011 was the peak of Arkansas football in the modern era. Really hard to diminish what Petrino accomplished in those 2 seasons alone. Lost 4 regular season games in 2 seasons, and 3 of those teams played for national championships with 2 winning.
I'll concede that the expectations for the 2012 season may have been exaggerated given a number of factors, but that was still going to be a good football team with plenty of talent on both sides of the ball.
The knock on recruiting is interesting given that Petrino had just signed Jonathan Williams, Keon Hatcher, Darius Philon, Deatrich Wise, and Jeremy Sprinkle, who were all future pros. The 2011 class was also a top 25 class, which is fairly in line with historical metrics.
For an offensive coach who couldn't recruit, Petrino assembled quite the collection of D-line talent that with that 2012 team: Chris Smith, Trey Flowers, Robert Thomas, Alfred Davis, Byran Jones, DeQuinta Jones, with Philon and Wise. It's like he knew that was important or something.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 4:04 pm to Cornelius
I think he gets a bad rap for recruiting. It wasn't as bad as people think. Yeah things fell apart when he left..... talent developers left when he did. Just sayin.....
Posted on 10/29/25 at 5:09 pm to ElDawgHawg
Those that are wanting HDN involved with any part of Arkansas Athletics, that is asking for trouble. He would stick his fingers in the football program and the first time he didn't get his way he would go into sabotage mode. Just no, we don't need him anywhere close to the Athletic department.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 6:16 pm to Barneyrb
I am happy to see that at least 3 or 4 of y’all still care enough about the program to display any passion at all about who they hire.
As for me…I’m hopeful whatever they stumble into works. Vaguely hopeful.
As for me…I’m hopeful whatever they stumble into works. Vaguely hopeful.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:39 pm to PineyWoodsHog
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Yes, by all means, let's use the GOAT who was coaching at one of the CFB meccas as our measuring stick. ? Who, if one wanted to use some people's reasoning, you could say bolted to the NFL because he saw the writing on the wall with the drop-off from 2003 to 2004 at LSU. Stupid? Yes, almost as stupid as people acting like they 100 percent know what happens IF Bobby gets the job. It's a crap shoot no matter who gets the job.
Well that's how people look back on Bobby's time here, like he was the greatest thing we've ever had and ever could have. Not the case. We don't know how it would go hiring Petrino for the 2nd time but we for dang sure can look at how it turned or for Louisville. It's absolutely a crap shoot, but doubts are justified.
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His first two years were with mostly Hootie players. What was his conference record the last two years? 12-4, only two teams did better.
Oh that's right, we always ignore the first 2 years of a coach's tenure. Chard Morris is undefeated then. Yea that's a great 2 years that followed. Still didn't win a division, conference, or national championship. Those were years 3 and 4.
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Pure speculation to say he'd peaked in 2011 without any proof to back it up. Recruiting was going to catch up to us based on what, rankings? We all know, most players are going to see a drop in rankings once they sign with some schools and get a bump just by signing with some others.
Hey I thought we were going to the ship in 2012 before Bobby got fired. I'm just repeating what's been said here and everywhere else many, many times. And since Bob decided to be stupid and ruin it, we'll never know.
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How? There have been plenty of us post about why this isn't true. Please take the time to explain why it is. Other than pointing the one, and only, losing season he had out of nine there.
I haven't seen any of you defending a coach getting fired after going 2-8 and losing the locker room. Yet. Although I'll admit I didn't realize he was 8-4 or 9-3 4 out of 5 years in his second stint at Louisville. But it's still a gamble.
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There are better routes to go than trying to revive past success with the same guy.
Maybe, maybe not. Only time will tell either way unless you're some kind of modern day Nostradamus.
It's "maybe, maybe not". Dudes don't get sharper in their upper 60's, typically (Love you Rev). Hell, Hire Bobby, maybe he'll surprise me. Or maybe it'll be more of the same and I still won't give a flip if I watch the games or not.
Maybe we'll make a good gamble on somebody worth a shite, like Sumrall. Doubt it though.
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:43 pm to dammitbert
Petrino isn't the same coach he was 20 years ago, no one is going to argue this.
Petrino may not be the best ever at Arkansas then or in the future, fine, debate not needed.
Petrino is however begging for the job which puts Arkansas in a much better position than all the other jobs open right now. If you can hire someone to elevate the program higher than it was when he was fired so it, but there is no excuse to hire a HC who is worse than Petrino.
You can argue whether he is the ceiling for the program, but you need not ignore the fact he is the floor for the program currently.
Trot out a Chaggie-pittman type hire you need to follow up with the program being dropped to club NCAA div III status because you failed the program at hiring a coach.
Petrino may not be the best ever at Arkansas then or in the future, fine, debate not needed.
Petrino is however begging for the job which puts Arkansas in a much better position than all the other jobs open right now. If you can hire someone to elevate the program higher than it was when he was fired so it, but there is no excuse to hire a HC who is worse than Petrino.
You can argue whether he is the ceiling for the program, but you need not ignore the fact he is the floor for the program currently.
Trot out a Chaggie-pittman type hire you need to follow up with the program being dropped to club NCAA div III status because you failed the program at hiring a coach.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 12:18 am to ElDawgHawg
quote:Why do people talk like Petrino's defenses were absolute garbage? Most of our best defensive players in the last 20 years were Petrino recruits. We were 47th in points allowed in 2010 and 33rd in 2011. The only defense that has been better than those since then was 2014, a team that still had his recruits. If we had the 50th best defense this year, we'd be averaging over 10 points given up less per game and would be ranked in the top 10 right now even with the turnover problems.
Again... you are talking about offense... that's great and all but we are seeing right now that you can have an elite offense and if you ignore the other side of the ball it kills you.
We have to get someone that understands championship football is about building the TOTAL program.
Does he prioritize offensive execution/perfection in practice? Yes. Does he "ignore" the other side of the ball? Of course not.
It's perfectly fine to not want Petrino, and at this point I doubt he gets the job, but some of y'all are just completely rewriting history.
This post was edited on 10/30/25 at 12:49 am
Posted on 10/30/25 at 6:05 am to DaleDenton
Petrino can go beg elsewhere...in 2025 Bobby Petrino is the Chad-Pittman hire...
He has no SEC worthy staff contacts.
He has no pool of players to draw from when this team graduates or transfers out.
His recruiting has been trash here and will continue to be at any price!
20-26 his last 46 games coached
So let him beg all he wants he brings absolutely nothing to the table in the NIL era that gives even an inkling of success moving forward.
He has no SEC worthy staff contacts.
He has no pool of players to draw from when this team graduates or transfers out.
His recruiting has been trash here and will continue to be at any price!
20-26 his last 46 games coached
So let him beg all he wants he brings absolutely nothing to the table in the NIL era that gives even an inkling of success moving forward.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 8:56 am to DaleDenton
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Petrino is however begging for the job which puts Arkansas in a much better position than all the other jobs open right now.
This. I really think Bobby does want to right his past wrongs. No one truly knows what will happen regardless of who gets the job. He might not be the same coach he was last time around but can't that be a good thing? Last time his ego and self-pride got him in trouble. He's still a great offensive mind and a leader though. He does still have an ego but, as you start get older, that ego often turns from "let me make the biggest name for myself right now" to "let me leave a lasting legacy when my time is up". I think he will do everything in his power and work his arse off for us. Will that be enough? I don't know, but I have more faith in him than a lot of other names being thrown around. Names that can't even or barely break .500 in much weaker conferences.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:15 am to PineyWoodsHog
You're talking about a guy that only broke .500 once in 3 years at the FCS level his last go around...
This post was edited on 10/30/25 at 10:16 am
Posted on 10/30/25 at 11:08 am to HAWGWALLOP
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You're talking about a guy that only broke .500 once in 3 years at the FCS level his last go around...
And you are a broken record with one tired old song.
You either lack the ability or just refuse to see context. You do realize that the FCS has their own versions of teams like Alabama and such, right? One of the years he failed to break .500 was two losses to one such team in North Dakota, a loss to South Dakota , two losses to Central Arkansas in one of their best seasons ever, and a loss to FBS #5 Oklahoma. One thing he didn't do is lose to any unranked teams. That same year, that he failed to break .500, they were still conference co-champions along with South Dakota. That was also one of only four years, in their entire history to go to the FCS playoffs. Bobby took them twice in 3 years and only one other coach did it before him taking them twice in 1989 and 1990. Like it or not, Bobby in three short seasons took a historically bad program to heights they'd only seen one other time 40 years earlier.
I get it, your feelings are still hurt and you don't like Bobby but facts are facts, and the fact is Bobby has only failed to "break " .500 four times in 17 seasons as a HC. He also has a .579 record since leaving Arkansas ( his so-called bad years) which is better than most of the so-called up and comer names being thrown out and much better than the abysmal .418 win percentage we've had since his departure. Not one single coach, Since Bobby, has even touched .500 for their tenure here.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 11:40 am to PineyWoodsHog
Take off your beer goggles. Bobby is toast...Ray Charles can see it but you can't its a shame
Posted on 10/30/25 at 12:02 pm to HAWGWALLOP
We still have 4 games. Very short-sighted to say he’s toast
Posted on 10/30/25 at 12:18 pm to sugatowng
Not gonna lie, it would be a tough pill to swallow if Petrino is hired at one of the other SEC openings. He’d tear it up at Florida or LSU. The resources for NIL & defense would be an afterthought
Meanwhile here at Arkansas, we probably couldn’t guarantee him the resources needed. Which might be why some of our fans see other candidates as better options.
Meanwhile here at Arkansas, we probably couldn’t guarantee him the resources needed. Which might be why some of our fans see other candidates as better options.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 12:39 pm to PineyWoodsHog
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And you are a broken record with one tired old song. You either lack the ability or just refuse to see context.
Guy was cucked by Bobby.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 12:39 pm to hawgfaninc
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Not gonna lie, it would be a tough pill to swallow if Petrino is hired at one of the other SEC openings. He’d tear it up at Florida or LSU.
I wouldn't sweat that too much. If Bobby doesn't end the season well enough to be our next head coach, that means he didn't end the season well enough to be considered for a high profile job like Florida or LSU. At least in a head coaching role.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 12:41 pm to hawgfaninc
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Not gonna lie, it would be a tough pill to swallow if Petrino is hired at one of the other SEC openings. He’d tear it up at Florida or LSU. The resources for NIL & defense would be an afterthought
He won’t, unless it’s to run their offense. Then everyone is fricked until he back stabs that coach.
Scorpion and Frog. Too bad he can’t just be normal and be our OC to our new coach.
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