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re: Realistic coaching candidates
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:05 am to FayetteNAM
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:05 am to FayetteNAM
A dude with zero connection to Arkansas is going to leave a top 10 program in the country, that will be in playoff contention every year to come risk his career and turn around a historically terrible Arkansas team because of an extra 1-2 hours on a jet?
That’s what we’re telling ourselves? It’s worse than I imagined.
Get ready to hire Dowell Loggains, Barry Lunney or possibly Kendall Briles if he didn’t burn all his bridges here.
That’s what we’re telling ourselves? It’s worse than I imagined.
Get ready to hire Dowell Loggains, Barry Lunney or possibly Kendall Briles if he didn’t burn all his bridges here.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 8:11 am
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:26 am to STLhog
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Get ready to hire Dowell Loggains, Barry Lunney or possibly Kendall Briles if he didn’t burn all his bridges here.
I know.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:34 am to FayetteNAM
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He is going to be going to Piscataway and then Happy Valley on back to back weekend in November starting next year.
Do I think we will get him? Probably not, but not because he wouldn’t come, it will be because we cheap out.
Nike money with the whole west coast to recruit. The only other team they compete with is USC. There isn't another team in California region to battle with.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:50 am to STLhog
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Dowell Loggains
Zero chance.
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Barry Lunney
Some chance.
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Kendall Briles
We could do much worse.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:59 am to Billy Blanks
How about Art Briles
Posted on 10/2/23 at 9:07 am to STLhog
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Get ready to hire Dowell Loggains, Barry Lunney or possibly Kendall Briles if he didn’t burn all his bridges here.
I fully expect this, or Gus or one of his disciples.
But I’m saying Oregon went from being a big 3 to being top 7 maybe or so in its own conference. Is that better than us? Yes, that’s where it will take money. And if we don’t spend at this moment, we should just regulate ourselves to a lower conference.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 9:08 am to Billy Blanks
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We could do much worse.
Like the first two options. Lebby should be an option too.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 9:10 am to The Sultan of Swine
More serious suggestion: Lance Leipold or his OC Andy Kotelnicki
These are guys we should really think about. Not sure if we could get Leipold to come over but his Kotelnicki has been on his staff since 2013, good amount of time to learn how to manage a program. Former center who's coached every position group in his career.
These guys are having success in a place with a heavy recruiting disadvantage. They've used the transfer portal to build the team - probably what Arkansas needs to do to have major success.
Downside is they don't have SEC experience. But this is where I'd look before we start talking Kendal Briles, Barry Lunney, etc
These are guys we should really think about. Not sure if we could get Leipold to come over but his Kotelnicki has been on his staff since 2013, good amount of time to learn how to manage a program. Former center who's coached every position group in his career.
These guys are having success in a place with a heavy recruiting disadvantage. They've used the transfer portal to build the team - probably what Arkansas needs to do to have major success.
Downside is they don't have SEC experience. But this is where I'd look before we start talking Kendal Briles, Barry Lunney, etc
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 9:20 am
Posted on 10/2/23 at 9:12 am to FayetteNAM
He’s 37. He’s not going to nuke, and I mean H bomb nuke his career for a few extra million per year.
We just hired a coach for the same amount we were paying Houston Nutt 2 decades ago. Now we’re going to outbid Oregon?
Someone’s been drinking early on a Monday.
We just hired a coach for the same amount we were paying Houston Nutt 2 decades ago. Now we’re going to outbid Oregon?
Someone’s been drinking early on a Monday.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:10 am to STLhog
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Someone’s been drinking early on a Monday.
Debbie Downer, I don’t think it will happen because our Athletic Director looks to get a good deal on people who love the helmet and take minimum in the league money.
I’m just listing reasons it could happen.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:13 am to The Sultan of Swine
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Lance Leipold or his OC Andy Kotelnicki
I haven’t watched either to be honest, but they are doing good when they shouldn’t be.
I’d go for Mike Elko first. He is younger, and had a historic recruiting class at A&M.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:23 am to FayetteNAM
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Debbie Downer, I don’t think it will happen because our Athletic Director looks to get a good deal on people who love the helmet and take minimum in the league money.
I’m just listing reasons it could happen.
Pittman was a value hire and a year or two ago we were telling Ole Miss all about it.
We weren't necessarily attractive to young and upcoming coaches at that point either. I wouldn't bet my career on Arkansas at this point ...
Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:33 am to FayetteNAM
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I’d go for Mike Elko first. He is younger, and had a historic recruiting class at A&M.
My concern would be that I don't remember seeing many defensive minded coaches have 10+ win type success at somewhere like Arkansas, Miss State, Ole Miss, Missouri, Vandy, Kentucky, South Carolina.
Stoops at Kentucky is an exception, but more common for an offensive guru to be able to win at these types of places.
I'm also skeptical Elko's recruiting would translate to Arkansas
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 10:34 am
Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:42 am to The Sultan of Swine
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My concern would be that I don't remember seeing many defensive minded coaches have 10+ win type success at somewhere like Arkansas, Miss State, Ole Miss, Missouri, Vandy, Kentucky, South Carolina.
This has always been my only fear. That we would need to outscore teams to beat them, not hold them to low scores.
If that’s what you want, I’d probably go for Lebby.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 11:05 am to Billy Blanks
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Kendall Briles
We could do much worse.
Agreed.
I’m not even a huge Briles fan and I’ll take him over Sam right now.
If we go the OC route, we could do worse than Briles or Lebby
Posted on 10/2/23 at 11:15 am to oklahogjr
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We weren't necessarily attractive to young and upcoming coaches at that point either. I wouldn't bet my career on Arkansas at this point ...
This is why we’re likely going to have to go the coordinator route.
Bert was an ‘established’ head coach and failed here. Morris was a decent name as far as the up and comers went given what he did back at Clemson, and he became the worst coach in SEC history.
The fact of the matter is that this is no longer viewed as a relatively stable program where a dumbass like Houston Nutt can fall arse backwards into 8 wins regularly, nor is it the same program Bobby Petrino left the NFL for. Perception is reality at this point.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:06 pm to Feral
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This is why we’re likely going to have to go the coordinator route.
No you don't. You go get the best available established G5 coach who is also an offesnive mastermind who wins a shite load of games he shouldn't.
Those G5 guys who make $1.8M/yr will gladly double their salaries for a chance to coach in the SEC. Even if they get canned after 4 yrs, they will put $30M in the bank and be set for the rest of their lives if they fail.
Thats why a Jeff Traylor or Chadwell type are the best and most realistic coaches. Traylor is also known as a top recruiter, too.
It should not be that hard to win 3-4 cupcakes and 1-2 conf games every year when you routinely pull top 25 talent, even against the likes of the SEC.
All you have to do is not lose to teams you shouldn't.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:00 am to Feral
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:03 am to PorkSammich
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I thought he would be a great OC, but on the podcasts he has done, it doesn’t sound like he wants to deal with any of this.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:45 am to Feral
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Bert was an ‘established’ head coach and failed here. Morris was a decent name as far as the up and comers went given what he did back at Clemson, and he became the worst coach in SEC history.
Bert only failed here due to his own devices. Morris was just a bad hire period.
Our program had nothing to do with their failures.
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