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NIL Question Re: our AD

Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:05 pm
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1783 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:05 pm
So, I’m behind. I noticed that someone had stated that HY is against NIL? Is this true?
Posted by exiledhogfan
Missouri
Member since Jul 2021
1228 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:13 pm to
it better not be;

he doesn't have to like it, but he has to understand that's the name of the game these days; period;
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65697 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:37 pm to

Mizzou punk posted a Hawgbeat piece on the SRant just a bit ago. Doesn't come off well but has some good points. More thought provoking than anything.

Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27320 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:49 pm to
He's against a 50/50 split of revenue since it would lead to having to discontinue all the non-revenue producing sports.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42348 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:50 pm to
Gotta win 33 championships somewhere.

Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22727 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 7:20 pm to
Hunter (and mainly his weak-minded BOT) don't want the common folk contributing to an NIL fund when they would normally have to be forced to only give to thew a school/foundation.

We can't have that now can we? We have to take the 'righteous and moral' highground until we've gone full Vandy. (when in essence its all about greed from the school).

It's a joke that the school fights common folk collectives like they do and then cry poor...
Posted by Columbia
Land of the Yuppies
Member since Mar 2016
3132 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 7:27 pm to
I don’t know if Hunter is against it, but I know he’s not serious about it LINK. Making a coaching change may get us back to 6-6, but until you start seeing Arkansas players on that list….we won’t be sniffing a playoff bid.
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1783 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 7:53 pm to
I’ve seen that link before. I could swear that I’ve also seen that KJ is like 750K-1mil. If that is true though, I’m laughing.
Posted by ArHog
Muss is a coward
Member since Jan 2008
32977 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:18 pm to
quote:

Gotta win 33 championships somewhere.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
32655 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 4:22 am to
The info in that link is worthless.
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
7211 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 7:25 am to
quote:

I don’t know if Hunter is against it, but I know he’s not serious about it LINK. Making a coaching change may get us back to 6-6, but until you start seeing Arkansas players on that list….we won’t be sniffing a playoff bid.


That list is how much their name is worth, not how much they are actually making. We will never know how much any of them make because their not getting paid from the state/government.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
Member since Nov 2010
7740 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 7:47 am to
We need to start thinking about these NIL deals in terms of efficiency. Paying a mid level (at best) QB a million and then complaining about there not being enough NIL at Arkansas is not the way to go.

If we can’t compete with the big dogs NIL wise, we need to be smart about it. There’s a lot of ways to go about it. I’m just saying NIL is as much about the way it’s used as it is the total $.

The Yankees haven’t won’t the World Series in a decade plus
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1783 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:03 am to
We have the money. We choose not to play the NIL game. I don’t think it’s smart based on how much and how long we’ve sucked more than not. That said, agree that there are better ways to utilize NIL money like Utah giving all of their linemen new trucks, but on lease. Set up deals like that where they get it end of season or whenever makes sense if they perform or we lose a lot less if they don’t. Lord knows it’s better than giving someone $1mil and a Corvette -#Money4Nothing&Chicks4Free
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21182 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:06 am to
Yankees suffer from poor management just like Arkansas football.

I guess the only good thing is that Arkansas doesn't spend like A&M and go 5-7.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
Member since Nov 2010
7740 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:09 am to
I don't think we're on the same page exactly. We absolutely have to play the game if everyone else is. I don't love NIL but sky screaming about it won't help.

I'm not talking about spending less. Or putting stipulations on it. I'm talking about a HC/staff being intricately involved in putting that money where it can get the most value.

We can honestly have an advantage here because the Bama's, Ohio State's of the world are going to end up overpaying for the big names.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
16953 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:15 am to
It's only a matter of time before College Football is NFL Lite. Playoffs. Free Agency. Paying players. Salary Cap. It's all coming.

I think we eventually up with like a 40 team semi pro league.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
Member since Nov 2010
7740 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:17 am to
In the NFL it's all about understanding where your money is going to be effective. Teams get advantages by realizing they can skate by with mediocre players at certain positions like RB, sometimes CB.

Sometimes you can even win by paying less at the most important position, QB, because the top guys end up being paid even more than their value.

There's not one answer here, but I would really like a coach who's putting a lot of analysis into these types of questions. Sam is coming off as "Welp we didn't have enough money to fill out the roster properly, nothing I can do about that"
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1783 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:38 am to
I’ll agree on that. My preference would be to accept it because it’s here and spend. But if our AD and boosters want to be chincy about it, they could put stipulations(I think that would be just another dumb move but I’m being realistic on the dumb decisions our entire AD and BOT make time after time). Totally agree that certain positions are more valuable than others and careful evaluation should go into what positions the most money goes toward and why(with the exception of those “must get” players if they’re homegrown or high interest).
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6541 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 9:48 am to
If our NIL is even close to that low, you can stick a fork in the program. No coach worth anything is going to try to compete with the other programs on that list.

I switched the list over to basketball and I'm getting "*chuckles* I'm in danger" spidey senses. If its even remotely accurate, that's not good for the future of that program as well.

ETA: That On3 list is doo-doo. Here is how they get their numbers:

"On3 NIL Valuation calculates an athlete’s Brand Value and Roster Value by using data points targeting three primary categories — performance, influence and exposure."

Mostly meaningless, however, I've heard from multiple people associated with the program that NIL is problematic and is going to be problematic unless something changes. I've said before, its not just the big fish like the Hunts, its about having a lot of smaller fish, like LSU has with Todd Graves (Raisin Canes founder) just a single example of many die-hard LSU boosters that we don't have.
This post was edited on 11/16/23 at 10:05 am
Posted by Cornelius
1800s
Member since Aug 2012
1035 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 10:06 am to
NIL is a red herring.
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