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re: For all of you people who say give a coach a pass year 1

Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:23 pm to
Posted by rockiee
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:23 pm to
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We were better top to bottom than the team we played against.


I'm not sure how it can really be seen another way. 3 and a half quarters showed this IMO. Not saying CSU doesn't have talent but it was clear to me which team was more talented. It absolutely felt like play calling was the biggest issue. An extra 1st down in that 2nd half might have been the difference.
Posted by ThundrHawg
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:33 pm to
I've calmed down quite a bit, and obviously firing a 1st year head coach is essentially a death sentence for your program, but he didnt show me anything in that game that gave me hope for the future. That's what bothers me. My optimism is gone after 2 games. I'm convinced we are going to be in the same boat again in 3 years.

Playcalling: no improvement.
Mental toughness: no improvement.
Halftime adjustments: no improvement.
Fitting scheme to personnel: nope.

These were some of the biggest issues under Bielema and I dont see any signs they will improve. AggyChad is in way over his head and I'm worried we just mortgaged the next 3-4 seasons to give him a shot.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:37 pm to
if our veteran playmakers secondary can't cover their receiver were frickrd against ole miss.


so essentially this team showed there is no path to a bowl game week 2. ...fun stuff
Posted by rockiee
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:38 pm to
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I've calmed down quite a bit, and obviously firing a 1st year head coach is essentially a death sentence for your program, but he didnt show me anything in that game that gave me hope for the future. That's what bothers me. My optimism is gone after 2 games. I'm convinced we are going to be in the same boat again in 3 years.



The one thing I will say in Morris' defense. He talked about fixing the run game. I know CSU isn't close the an SEC opponent but it was clear an effort was made in that department for a large majority of the game. I hoping that Morris will look at this game and realize the mistakes that were made in play calling and at least try to fix some of the issues.

That being said, this is probably the most pessimistic I have been this early into the season with a new coach.
Posted by rockiee
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:44 pm to
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if our veteran playmakers secondary can't cover their receiver were frickrd against ole miss.


so essentially this team showed there is no path to a bowl game week 2. ...fun stuff


Agreed for the most part, needed to win all of our OOC games.
Posted by ThundrHawg
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:46 pm to
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He talked about fixing the run game


If he had continued that line of thinking on 4th and 1 we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Posted by rockiee
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:47 pm to
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If he had continued that line of thinking on 4th and 1 we wouldn't be having this conversation.


Yes and I said as much in my response but I'm not going to ignore everything else.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 6:32 pm to
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O line... better
False

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TE... even, or better
Also False. Their TE is on the Mackey Award Watch List.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 7:23 pm to
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I'm convinced we are going to be in the same boat again in 3 years.
I don't understand this. He's already recruiting better than Bert did. Why would you assume this is where we'll be in 3 years? There will be a massive difference in talent between this roster and 3 years from now.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 7:27 pm to
Drewbie… you are right on the TE....

Forgot about that.

Oline, we seem to be as good, if not better at the run protection and some in the pass.

But, we are a better team top to bottom IMHO, in Rockees and several others. YOU? why do you truly think that
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 8:08 pm to
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YOU? why do you truly think that
Top to bottom doesn't matter. There are positions that impact the game more than others. QB is one of the largest, if not the single most impactful. That also happens to be one of our biggest weaknesses as a team. Not all deficiencies are created equal. Just because our D-Line is better than theirs doesn't mean us having a glorified high school QB is going to be any less prevalent in the game when their QB can throw darts. I understand being upset about playcalling. That's more than justified, but saying that we're head and shoulders put together better than Colorado State as a football team isn't true. The gap in talent between us and them is much smaller than most would like to think, as we saw on the field. That isn't solely on Chad.

My whole point is to put off the witch hunt until the point that if Chad is having to battle a talent deficiency every week in the SEC, it's his own fault. Putting this team's garbage loser mentality on him isn't a good look.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 8:20 pm to
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My whole point is to put off the witch hunt until the point that if Chad is having to battle a talent deficiency every week in the SEC


Give it time, after the loss to UNT this weekend, the SEC blow outs will continue until moral improves.
Posted by ThundrHawg
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 8:58 pm to
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Why would you assume this is where we'll be in 3 years? 


He looked lost and the playcalling and game management appeared to be someone out of their depth. His staff is not SEC caliber.
Posted by Latarian
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 9:10 pm to
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He looked lost and the playcalling and game management appeared to be someone out of their depth. His staff is not SEC caliber.


He said before the staff coached a single SEC game

This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 9:11 pm
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 9:39 pm to
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His team is not SEC caliber.
FIFY

Good plays can fail with bad players. I don't see the harm in actually placing the blame on lack of talent. It's very evident we lack talent. I see a lot of people criticizing the playcalling but no one criticizing why our WR's couldn't get separation against Colorado fricking State.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 9:42 pm
Posted by Razorback Reverend
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:04 pm to
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I don't understand this. He's already recruiting better than Bert did. Why would you assume this is where we'll be in 3 years? There will be a massive difference in talent between this roster and 3 years from now.


Agreed, except the Oline….thus far.

But, even with such a higher rated class than we have had in many years, we are still 7th in the SEC West. And unlike Petrino, I have seen nothing to show me that Chad has the coaching prowess to take the lowest rated class in the SEC West and win with it.

We were up 27-9 bro. I still cant imagine that collapse. But it was REAL!
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:05 pm to
Posted by ArHog
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:15 pm to
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We were up 27-9 bro. I still cant imagine that collapse.


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Do you suffer from Amnesia and totally forget the 2016-2017 seasons with Bert guiding the ship



This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 10:16 pm
Posted by Razorback Reverend
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:17 pm to
WHy yes, yes I did... Thanks you Prick!
Posted by Razorback Reverend
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:18 pm to
Dang, spot on!
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