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re: Final thoughts on season
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:37 pm to Poker_hog
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:37 pm to Poker_hog
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Apathetic fanbase and boosters not willing to pony up NIL $$$ to keep up in the arms race. Will continue to be a lower tiered sec program for the foreseeable future
Gotta give us something to be excited about. I'm not giving shite for shite arse production. We have to do something on the level of a Cal hire to get people fired up. We pay to be entertained. Entertain us. Don't just sit on your lazy arse and expect us to throw our hard earned dollars at a bunch of worthless arse players and coaches while the school banks tens of millions.
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Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:45 pm to FayetteNAM
We only beat one team with a pulse all year
Not counting the fake game in Memphis
Not counting the fake game in Memphis
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:46 pm to SmackoverHawg
The chicken/egg argument is a water of time.
The arms race has seen minor contributors poached by teams where these players make minor contributions at their new schools for more money.
That isn't an arms race, it's wasteful spending.
It's based on pride not statistics. It occurred before NIL when players transferred them made it big elsewhere, Taveris Jackson was pointed towards when he was starting for a bad vikings team but rode the bench here for example. Mustain was eager to be the next I told you so, prematurely, when it didn't happen it was for other reasons not because of him but the source of the vitriol. Discussions such as this only work when based on emotions. Normally it's the female brain that works in this manner.
The arms race has seen minor contributors poached by teams where these players make minor contributions at their new schools for more money.
That isn't an arms race, it's wasteful spending.
It's based on pride not statistics. It occurred before NIL when players transferred them made it big elsewhere, Taveris Jackson was pointed towards when he was starting for a bad vikings team but rode the bench here for example. Mustain was eager to be the next I told you so, prematurely, when it didn't happen it was for other reasons not because of him but the source of the vitriol. Discussions such as this only work when based on emotions. Normally it's the female brain that works in this manner.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:57 pm to Poker_hog
I'm just curious, exactly how much have you donated to the foundation? How much to edge?
Listen I get the frustration with Pittman. I'm not a fan personally. It is also only fair to recognize that he's gotten to bowl games, and won them. This program is what they are. I can't stand it but the numbers don't lie. 7.4 wins per year before the motorcycle wreck and 6 after.
I refuse to donate to edge until it helps my foundation status. I buy season tickets to softball, volleyball, soccer, and gymnastics because it helps my foundation status.
Listen I get the frustration with Pittman. I'm not a fan personally. It is also only fair to recognize that he's gotten to bowl games, and won them. This program is what they are. I can't stand it but the numbers don't lie. 7.4 wins per year before the motorcycle wreck and 6 after.
I refuse to donate to edge until it helps my foundation status. I buy season tickets to softball, volleyball, soccer, and gymnastics because it helps my foundation status.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:06 pm to ArHog
Sorry, watched Nick Fairley and Ndomino Su get away with far worse.
These are professional athletes anyway.
These are professional athletes anyway.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:29 am to hawgndodge
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I'm just curious, exactly how much have you donated to the foundation? How much to edge?
I donated enough to get south outdoor club seats for a couple of decades but stopped when we hired Sam. After going cheap with Morris and cheaper with Pittman it was clear to me that we weren’t trying.
I’ve never donated directly to NIL and never will. With the exception of my church, pretty much all my expenditures are transactional. Happy to spend several hundred dollars on a ticket to a concert or a game I really want to see. If you want my entertainment dollars you’re gonna have to earn them.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:46 am to Poker_hog
Then we're in exactly the same boat. I ain't paying players. They get a full scholarship, clothes, tutoring, spending money, etc.
My son saved every dime from the time he was 16 and works 25 hours per week, is in the hogwild band, the marching band, and an ensemble. He takes 17-18 hours a semester, 10-12 each summer and will graduate in 3 years next spring with no student loans. Nobody is handing him anything, including myself. I sure as heck ain't giving it to some over entitled running back who thinks he's McFadden.
My point with that is that until the people of Arkansas, myself and yourself included, are on board with doing that at a high level there is absolutely no reason to expect anything less than mediocrity.
My son saved every dime from the time he was 16 and works 25 hours per week, is in the hogwild band, the marching band, and an ensemble. He takes 17-18 hours a semester, 10-12 each summer and will graduate in 3 years next spring with no student loans. Nobody is handing him anything, including myself. I sure as heck ain't giving it to some over entitled running back who thinks he's McFadden.
My point with that is that until the people of Arkansas, myself and yourself included, are on board with doing that at a high level there is absolutely no reason to expect anything less than mediocrity.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:09 am to FayetteNAM
Got better results than I expected. Lost one we shouldn't have and won one we shouldn't have. We were competitive in most games I expected us to be. Got another bowl win (Sam has been doing work on our pitiful bowl record).
I put my torch and pitchfork away. I'll never be mad at a winning season.
Hope we can continue to fill needs through the portal.
Some around here need to temper their expectations or take a step back.
I put my torch and pitchfork away. I'll never be mad at a winning season.
Hope we can continue to fill needs through the portal.
Some around here need to temper their expectations or take a step back.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:57 pm to Poker_hog
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For the fifth year in a row Sam has met HY’s low standard of not being Chad morrris.
Precisely.
Yurachek’s standard — and apparently the standard of many in in our fan base — has eroded to the point of “be better than Chad Morris,” which is pitiful and indicative of an unserious program.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 2:03 pm to hawgndodge
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I'm not a fan personally. It is also only fair to recognize that he's gotten to bowl games, and won them.
Bowl games are effectively glorified scrimmages anymore. Half the players who played throughout the season aren’t on the bowl roster, nor are half the players who’ll play in the coming season.
Also, simply getting to a bowl game should not be the standard for this program. Yurachek can get fricked forever for allowing it to devolve to this point.
Great selling point for future coaches. “Come coach at Arkansas, where you can get rich and stay forever simply by scratching out a 6-6 record.”
Posted on 12/29/24 at 2:20 pm to Feral
Only thing interesting about bowl games anymore is getting to see guys who have been buried on the depth chart get a chance. I watch them with the same level of interest as the red-white. Hey if we count the red-white game, that’s 8 wins this year for PittBoss
Posted on 12/29/24 at 3:12 pm to FayetteNAM
Do I think Sam Pittman should float a good offer to buy him out so he can retire? Well, sure. I mean none of us would walk away from that money no matter how badly we bitch and moan. Make the AD pay you the money.
But... FFS.... we did make, and win, a bowl game this year. Sure, ease Sam out the door, but I wouldn't call him a complete failure. Some of y'all need to be talked down from the roofs of your double wides.
You can both acknowledge that Sam did exactly what we hired him to do and that we should start looking for someone to take us to the next level because he isn't going to do that.
Regardless, barring a health crisis, we are stuck with him at least one more year and that might not be the end of the world. Next year's schedule looks brutal AF. Hard to entice a coach with "go 3-9 your first season and have the entire fanbase turn against you."
But... FFS.... we did make, and win, a bowl game this year. Sure, ease Sam out the door, but I wouldn't call him a complete failure. Some of y'all need to be talked down from the roofs of your double wides.
You can both acknowledge that Sam did exactly what we hired him to do and that we should start looking for someone to take us to the next level because he isn't going to do that.
Regardless, barring a health crisis, we are stuck with him at least one more year and that might not be the end of the world. Next year's schedule looks brutal AF. Hard to entice a coach with "go 3-9 your first season and have the entire fanbase turn against you."
Posted on 12/29/24 at 3:20 pm to Feral
Yourachek set the standard. It's pointless to be upset about the standard being met as no one has the ability to raise the standard other than the BOT and Yourachek.
Until a GM is in place to handle the money side of football it's a waste of energy to be upset about mediocrity as you are placing expectations higher than an unserious program could reasonably have.
With revenue sharing, the amount of money available will also increase. Unless there is a rule that it has to be shared equally, serious programs will use it to disperse the money to subsidized the payroll of a roster to percentages similar to the NFL, supply side would dictate that some positions would be worth less at the college level (QBs, RBs, Receivers) while other positions would be worth slightly more percentage wise (kickers). Unserious program will disperse the money equally which by all indications is what Arkansas plans to do.
Until a GM is in place to handle the money side of football it's a waste of energy to be upset about mediocrity as you are placing expectations higher than an unserious program could reasonably have.
With revenue sharing, the amount of money available will also increase. Unless there is a rule that it has to be shared equally, serious programs will use it to disperse the money to subsidized the payroll of a roster to percentages similar to the NFL, supply side would dictate that some positions would be worth less at the college level (QBs, RBs, Receivers) while other positions would be worth slightly more percentage wise (kickers). Unserious program will disperse the money equally which by all indications is what Arkansas plans to do.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 5:15 pm to DaleDenton
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Unserious program will disperse the money equally which by all indications is what Arkansas plans to do.
You can't be serious about us doing this? I agree with everything you said other than this... Dude...
Posted on 12/29/24 at 5:24 pm to Razorback Reverend
The Outback Bowl win counts and was big. All props.
Two Liberties and a Belk….I mean….better to win than lose, but the point is it’s two liberties and a belk.
Two Liberties and a Belk….I mean….better to win than lose, but the point is it’s two liberties and a belk.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:16 pm to Razorback Reverend
We should dominate the secondary sports in the future since Arkansas will be one of the few offering NIL money in the sports if all goes to plan for HY.
I for one can't wait for tennis and golf season.
I for one can't wait for tennis and golf season.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:18 pm to Rzrbackguy
Still better than two independence and a Texas bowl.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:33 pm to DaleDenton
I don’t think the Outback Bowl was that big of a win TBH. Penn State had six players opt out including 5 defensive starters and their top offensive player. That is when it really hit me that college football was becoming ruined and non-playoff bowl games were never going to be the same as we watch teams with watered down rosters playing each other at the end of the season. Watching season finales (outside of playoffs) with both teams playing at full strength is most likely gone forever. I realize it started several years ago but we’ve gone from the exception to it now being the rule.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:14 pm to Litigator
Why would top stars play in a bowl game? It used to be the only way players made any money all year (will wink). They'd get a free Playstation, some clothes, and paid mileage to drive to the game.
None of those things matter to those getting paid now.
None of those things matter to those getting paid now.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:42 am to YumYum Sauce
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Why would top stars play in a bowl game? It used to be the only way players made any money all year (will wink). They'd get a free Playstation, some clothes, and paid mileage to drive to the game.
None of those things matter to those getting paid now.
You make it part of their contract, if they opt out, they give a percentage back. Or you give them a bonus for playing.
The bowl sponsor should have a pool of money for the winners and losers to be divided up by the starters and 2nd string etc.. it is their product we are selling.
1st week of the season should be an open date and the bowl winner plays the bowl game loser at the winners stadium. Every team that doesn’t make a bowl gets matched up with other p4 conferences that didn’t make the cut.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 12:48 am
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