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rockiee
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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I just disagree, I think he's a bad coach. 16-32 kind of proves that to me.


Context is huge here. There is a reason SMU fans had so many great things to say about him. They realize where they were before him and what he had steady improved on. BTW this doesn't mean that Chad is a great coach, I just think looking at records can be very deceiving without adding context to them. There are plenty of examples that show this, Coach O being one of many.

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Bielema averaged a top 25 class, that's enough to win more than two games.


Once again, system

The only game I'll concede being nearly 100% coaching is Colorado State. Every other game was a combination of lack of talent, bad system fit, lack of effort and coaching.

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We recruited about the same as Mississippi State the last few years, they had a first year coach last season too and he went 8-5 and beat the shite out of us. I think that's a much more appropriate comparison.


There is not one analyst in the country that would say Arkansas and Miss St had similar talent levels. Just look at the draft and that didn't have anything to do with their new coach.
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WonderWartHawg
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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So now we're blaming Bielema for recruiting two 4 star in-state quarterbacks?



OL that can't keep the defense out of the backfield plus receivers that couldn't get open will make a 5* QB look bad as well.


hilltophog
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Member since Sep 2016
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
Wonder how long it takes for Morris to get to .500 (not overall but at Arkansas) record.

Is there a Jack Crowe sitation for Morris?

Do we fire him if he loses to Portland State in the opener?

Is Morris fired if he has a worst record than Bielema after year 5?

Does Morris' seat only get warm if he dare say a negative word about wms?


HogFanfromHTown
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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Do we fire him if he loses to Portland State in the opener?

Hell yeah we have to. If we lose to Portland State and he's not fired, people are going to fly banners over the stadium.
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Is Morris fired if he has a worst record than Bielema after year 5? 

If he doesn't get to at least 6-6 in year 3 he's likely out of here.


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sugatowng
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
Oh you guys...please never change.

I take a sabbatical from this site and nothing changes...


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russellvillehog
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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SMU's recruiting classes were in the 70's and 80's, Arkansas averaged a top 25 class. Are you seriously going to argue that SMU was more talented?



Go look at like the 4 4 *s from each of bert's classes. those super top heavy classes of his. Then see how many contributed in any way. Here I'll fricking help you asshat.

Brian Wallace. Started, but was average at best.

Jamario bell. Totally wasted in every way. Never has contributed. Still 2nd string at best in year 5.

Jake Heinrich. Medical problems.

The one offensive linemen who had the afro. Medical hardship.

The center who started like 3 games when ragnow got hurt. Left when he would have started.

Briston guidry. Never started. Injury bug.

Ty storey. LOL

Calloway. Started 1 game. Got burnt. Then acted a fool. Kicked off of team.

Devwah whaley. Has been a career 2nd string who's best year was his freshman, and now has injury history.

The juco WR that came in with nance. Never did shite. Kicked off of team.

Montaric brown. So far has been redshirted, and 2nd string. May (and I do say may) start this year, but is considered worse than the low 3* guy mccellion.

NEED I frickING GO ON? THERE ARE MORE!

so go back to those classes. Kick every fricking 4 star off of those classes. See where we are ranked.

NOT TO MENTION SOME OF THE HIGH 3*S DIDNT PAN OUT YET.

koilan Jackson has yet to contribute due to injury and I had him as a top player in that 2016 class. So far the best player was the high 3* safety who is a junior this year his name escapes me.

And bert signed far more low 3* borderline 2*s than anyone ever should here at Arkansas. So whenever all of your top talent guys never pan out you are stuck with a team of sunbelt level players.



PLEASE TELL ME HOW THOSE ARE TOP 25 CLASSES!!!!


hilltophog
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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PLEASE TELL ME HOW THOSE ARE TOP 25 CLASSES!!!!

And you can guarantee that Morris' 48th (2018) and 23rd (2019) ranked recruiting classes are going to be better?????

Morris' god awful ranked 48th class has already had burn outs or players who moved on to greener pastures (Noland).

Members of 2018 class who are gone -

Noland (saw the light)
Billy Ferrell (injury)
Courtre Alexander (?)
Jimmie Stoudemire (?)

Also - in terms of QB - it's pretty amazing how many people talk about how Morris was left nothing (which he was) at QB but many of ya'll also claimed that the Allen's played due to nepotism. Rafe Peavey was a heisman winner in the waiting but the Allen family held him back-----he must of tore it up at SMU and FAU. Ty Storey was the G.O.A.T. but was hamstringed by the NWA bias and favortism toward the Allen's. Isn't that what all those lil pebble buzz callers said?

Now we see the real reasons why Brandon and Austin played.... 1. Brandon was good 2. the QBs behind them were trash.

All that BS b/c Bobby Allen works a desk job in the football office. Imagine how mad the buzz callers would be if Chandler moved to Fayetteville. A QB from NWA who is related to the coach........ ya'll would have been livid.
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hilltophog
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Member since Sep 2016
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
I don't expect/want much from Morris. Win the games he is supposed to i.e. the non-cons.

No more 4th an 1 chickencrap punts when you have a bulldozer QB.

If you do punt don't have any more punt coverage debacles.

No more procedural penalties for too many players or the same number on the field.

No more players running into each other in the backfield.

Simple.

Also don't go 0-fer in the SEC. Bert won 2 games in year 2. You can at least win 1 game..... please. You can start off the season right in Oxford. We had a nice 4 game winning streak against Ole Miss until little rock last season.


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Stonehog
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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OL that can't keep the defense out of the backfield plus receivers that couldn't get open will make a 5* QB look bad as well.


Don't look at Chad's OL recruiting then. Our highest ranked O-lineman in the last class is a three star with zero Power 5 offers.


gohogs141
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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Members of 2018 class who are gone -

Noland (saw the light)
Billy Ferrell (injury)
Courtre Alexander (?)
Jimmie Stoudemire (?)


Wasn't he a walk-on?

We only had room to sign 16 players (smallest class in the SEC) in that class so we were never going to get much from it anyway, not to mention Chad only being here like a month for it.


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HogX
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Don't look at Chad's OL recruiting then. Our highest ranked O-lineman in the last class is a three star with zero Power 5 offers.



I stress less about OLineman rankings less than any position.

The average star ranking of the NFL Pro Bowl offensive linemen last year was 2.4 stars. Not a single 5-star made it. There were as many 0 stars on the roster as 4 stars.


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rockiee
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Member since Jan 2015
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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We only had room to sign 16 players (smallest class in the SEC) in that class so we were never going to get much from it anyway, not to mention Chad only being here like a month for it.


I believe it was 18 but your point still remains correct. I have given up on this though, for some reason some fans want to throw all context out the window for that recruiting cycle.


BadPiggy
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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for some reason some fans want to throw all context out the window for that recruiting cycle.


Because it's more about they being "right" in their own eyes, than about being fair or realistic. Plenty of people made up their minds before Morris ever stepped up to the microphone, and damned if they are changing it.

With Morris and Muscleman both, I see some real positives that MAY end up being great signs But neither of them have done anything but polish a couple trinkets at this point, and so it's a wait and see at this point. The great Saban was far from great at MSU. No amount of pissing and whining will change that.


Hawgnsincebirth55
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
Yep. 2 factors contribute to this. 1. He comes from a small school so people think he must not be worth a shite. Even though this is silly and how almost every college makes a hire unless you go the coordinator route, if a guy is already at an established power 5 school and winning why the frick would he come here? Remember when your searching for a coach after he’s fired for on the field performance it usually means your team sucks most coaches aren’t lining up to leave their job if they’ve already got a pretty good team. And the other issue is people are ready to win NOW. People were willing to give fat arse his sweet time because we had just had petrino we were content but now it’s been 6 years since we were relevant and people are tired of it. Hell if nick Saban walked in and went 5-7 this year people would be bitching about us needing to move to the big 12 or some shite. Bottom line is it’s new regime with new schemes. It wasn’t gonna be a quick fix and any reasonable fan knew that. The small issues that someone alluded to earlier aren’t problems brought in by chad those little issues were things Bert’s teams had every year I believe those were carryover issues and I think chad having a year to adjust to the league and having the cancers get out you will see a much improved team this fall. And if he doesn’t get it done he’ll be gone anyway as he should be. I’m not sucking Morris off but I’m not gonna blame him for something another guy did.


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hilltophog
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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Because it's more about they being "right" in their own eyes, than about being fair or realistic. Plenty of people made up their minds before Morris ever stepped up to the microphone, and damned if they are changing it.
not me......i liked the Morris hire initially. i didn't want gus and for some reason i don't like leach - so, morris was a good option.

i just find it funny that people are trotting out the same excuses that was given during the bielema era.

"empty cupboard"
"different systems"
"context is key - this place was a dumpster fire before"

they also keep saying he is bringing in our best recruiting classes of all time.... and he isn't no matter the context.

Also find it funny that every coach hired here stressed the importance of signing top instate talent but very few seem to do so. Morris has lost some instate kids to Ole Miss and Oklahoma. He let a pretty good QB commit to North Carolina.... but instead of getting criticized for it people are saying "good, we don't we them - they are cancers or they aren't good enough."

I hope he wins and his decisions are justified but it seems like many people are just happy that Morris isn't Bielema. I said before the hire that "slightly better than Bielema" isn't good enough but now it seems that just being different (not better) is. I've actually heard people say that they don't care if Morris goes 0-fer in the SEC this season. 2 years of 0fer is fine to them b/c hey at least it ain't Bert.

Makes you wonder why people are willing to put up with the worst record in our football history..... it's rather easy to see. The "One Razorback" state unity being pumped by Morris and Cashacheck has given people the warm fuzzies. Everyone in arkansas can say "I'm important too". When in reality none of us are unless you are a Walker, Walton, Hunt, Baum, or Tyson.

Of course the main part is making the people feel like wms is a focal point in our football program. Don't dare call it a road game. Don't dare talk about the poor quality of facilities. Those lil pebble fans want you to "Shut up and play ball.....boy!"

I don't care about feeling important. I don't care how people in little rock feel about the Razorbacks. I want the best for the program and players. I want the best coach for the program. I want to win. If Morris does so then great. But he will catch flack until he does.

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With Morris and Muscleman both

I like the Musselman hire as well. Time will tell if that hire pays off. He has a much easier path than Morris. Basketball is a sport that it's easy to turnover a roster but he was left a pretty good group of players.

As long as he doesn't make boneheaded calls like have Gabe dribble up court for a last second half court heave to win the game...... or have players so confused that they run into each other on the court..... or have such little control of the team that players are taking selfies with the student section at Kentucky..... IF none of those things happen then most people will be forgiving of a poor season - as long as it's not the worst season in our basketball history.


TheCheshireHog
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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Also find it funny that every coach hired here stressed the importance of signing top instate talent but very few seem to do so.


The last time I ran the numbers, Bielema had the highest hit % of landing instate players with offers in the modern recruiting era. Maybe the trick is to actually land more out of state talent.


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gohogs141
Arkansas Fan
Fayetteville
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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They also keep saying he is bringing in our best recruiting classes of all time.... and he isn't no matter the context.


We did sign the most 4-stars in a class we've ever signed according to Rivals which is probably where that comes from. But it wasn't the highest ranked class total we've ever had, that was 16th under Petrino. But half of that class ended up with off the field issues it seemed like.


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He let a pretty good QB commit to North Carolina.... but instead of getting criticized for it people are saying "good, we don't want them


They would criticism him if he took Criswell and he turned out to be Ty Storey too. I would rather him not take an in-state QB just for the sake of taking an in-state QB. No one knows if he's "pretty good" or not yet because a lot of pretty good high school QBs aren't that good in college.


Drewbie
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
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i just find it funny that people are trotting out the same excuses that was given during the bielema era. "empty cupboard" "different systems" "context is key - this place was a dumpster fire before"
Probably because they're applicable in both situations? Bert got hired to replace an interim coach that had just turned a top 10 team into a dumpster fire after the head coach got canned for humping coeds and he certainly wasn't running a spread offense similar to Petrino's. So tell me why exactly these trigger you so much if they're true?


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Also find it funny that every coach hired here stressed the importance of signing top instate talent but very few seem to do so.
No coach in their right mind is going to come into a new state and shite on the local talent, however there are some years that the Ty Storeys of the world ARE the "top in-state talent". I'm perfectly ok with going light those years.

Idk man I don't think someone that's using radio call-ins as the strawman to their points is thinking about the situation very clearly. Literally no one here wanted either Allen benched for Peavey or Storey realistically. Hell, I was upset when we stuck with Kelley for too long in Allen's last year.
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Drewbie
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Don't look at Chad's OL recruiting then. Our highest ranked O-lineman in the last class is a three star with zero Power 5 offers.
Nevermind the transfer from Notre Dame.


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russellvillehog
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Member since Apr 2016
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re: Arkansas picked last in the West
The #s say getting a QB from Texas is the best option period. Arkansas QBs are not good unless they are Brandon allen.

The state with the most NFL QBs by a wide margin is Texas. This is a recent thing as well. They just get QBs ready down there.


We dont here in Arkansas. We have a better chance with a low rated guy out of Texas than we do a super 4 star from Arkansas.



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