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re: Yesterday was the best thing that could have happened for the 2018 season
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:57 am to UhOhOreo
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:57 am to UhOhOreo
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I'm just very confused as to how he regressed so heavily.
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he never had the ability to begin with.
You answered your own question. I caught hell in 2016 for pointing out his flaws despite the smoke and mirrors of the stats. He hasn't regressed. He's doing exactly what he's always done, except in a different offense AND with the contrast of a guy like Tua to make it stand out more.
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Posted on 4/23/18 at 10:27 am to Teague
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I caught hell in 2016 for pointing out his flaws despite the smoke and mirrors of the stats. He hasn't regressed. He's doing exactly what he's always done, except in a different offense AND with the contrast of a guy like Tua to make it stand out more.
I think the changes at OC haven't helped him at all. If Kiffin stuck around he would have made hime more effective. Sark was a disaster in the title game. Daboll didn't really know how to utilize his strengths and from all reports Daboll wanted Tua in there from the get go.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 10:34 am to 14&Counting
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Daboll didn't really know how to utilize his strengths
I've read comments like this I don't know how many times, and it has always been will always continue to be pure BS.
Let me try to explain the problem a little more clearly so maybe some people might finally understand.
Hurts CANNOT THROW THE EFFING BALL DOWN THE FIELD consistently.
Daboll "not utilizing his strengths" is pure BS.
You can't win championships without an effective downfield effing passing game. Period.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:07 am to BamaGradinTn
Ed Zackery.........Jalen hasn't gone backward at all. He is right where he was when he came to Bama as a passer. No matter who the OC might be #2 has an electrical problem in his PC. He is so afraid he will F up throwing the ball and he can't get past that. Every down he faces the same situation and that isn't going to change. His father already knows this. From a selfish point of view I had hoped #2 would stay at Bama so Bama had a great option for a backup but I believe it would be best for Jalen and Bama if he went forward with his transfer at the end of the school year.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:14 am to BamaGradinTn
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I've read comments like this I don't know how many times, and it has always been will always continue to be pure BS.
Daboll is a career NFL guy. He has spent his entire coaching career in NFL systems and had just got done working with the GOAT: Tom Brady.
I do think Kiffin could have helped him develop and been more creative and tailored an offense and plays around him. We all know his limitations but he played pretty well in 2016 so much so he won offensive player of the year. He played terribly in the playoffs when Lane checked out. Last year he struggled all year....was bad against Aggie, was shaky against MSU, and the wheels came off at Auburn. Nothing against Daboll because Tua stepped in and lit it up. Jalen in Daboll's offense was a square peg in a round hole. You are right Jalen isn't a QB but Daboll is asking him to make those plays and just doesn't have it.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:31 am to BamaGradinTn
I have plenty of doubts about Hurts having the it factor. He couldn't pull the trigger last year, but I wouldn't put 2 cents into that Spring game. I remember AJ McCarron getting ruffed up by the number one defense and AJ being real pissy about it after the game. Its too bad we couldn't see how Tua would have played against them, but it looked like a good bit of the problem was the O line not giving him a chance.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:58 am to 14&Counting
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Daboll didn't really know how to utilize his strengths
Jalen has strengths? What ‘strengths’ can a QB who can’t throw a football possibly have?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:01 pm to saban n bear
Espn caught Nick Saban saying this to Herbie after another Jalen run on Saturday...
"Without me saying it... (Inaudible) two years. I mean the third team QB can move the team right down the field throwing the ball."
"Without me saying it... (Inaudible) two years. I mean the third team QB can move the team right down the field throwing the ball."
Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:06 pm to Bamainva40
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Spot on. No one should want him to transfer yet
It's better for Bama if he stays, but I want him to transfer because I believe that's better for him. I'm taking my fan selfishness out of it and thinking about the young man.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:51 pm to Cobrasize
quote:I think most of us believe we're doing the same with our commentary.
I'm taking my fan selfishness out of it and thinking about the young man.
We love the kid, and appreciate what he's done for us. But he should look at Blake Sims and see what his NFL prospects are using him as a measuring stick.
I think Jalen has the work ethic, the physical tools, and the mental toughness to play in the NFL. Just not at QB, and who in the county has a better coaching staff to develop him in another area than us?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 1:03 pm to Cobrasize
It’s probably safe to say his farther has already been in contact with other interested programs.
If he gets beat out in fall camp (which looks to be the case right now), will he stay? And be the #2 or will he pull a Barnett?
I’m not to keen on eligibility rules, but he’ll be a true Jr. So he’ll wait out a yr, take a RS and compete for a starting job with 2yrs of eligibility remaining?
If he gets beat out in fall camp (which looks to be the case right now), will he stay? And be the #2 or will he pull a Barnett?
I’m not to keen on eligibility rules, but he’ll be a true Jr. So he’ll wait out a yr, take a RS and compete for a starting job with 2yrs of eligibility remaining?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 1:09 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Hurts CANNOT THROW THE EFFING BALL DOWN THE FIELD consistently.
This. He's Brodie Croyle.
Actually, he's got a better completion percentage and a frickton more rushing yards, so he's better than that. His freshman year was 1,500 yards better than Brodie's best season ever.
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Daboll "not utilizing his strengths" is pure BS.
No. See what Kiffin did vs. what Daboll did. Daboll is a shitty OC.
Jesus, I can only imagine what Kiffin could have done with Tua.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 1:23 pm to Evolved Simian
Completely agree on Kiffin vs. Daboll. Kiffin was a magician that could put together a competent offense with what he was given. Kiffin got the ball in the hands of his best players, often in creative ways which is what made him such a good playcaller. Daboll... not so much. Daboll seemed to have more of a “fit the square peg in the round hole” mindset. He tried to change Jalen to fit his offense, whereas Kiffin changed the offense to fit Jalen.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 1:32 pm to Evolved Simian
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See what Kiffin did vs. what Daboll did.
Kiffin did get better stats for Hurts, but I'm not a fan of his offense, and neither was Saban. Kiffin's offense is boom or bust, and that causes a lot of short possessions. If you'll recall Saban's comments entering last year, he wants to be able to sustain drives more like the old days. That doesn't mean just run the ball, but it does mean we aren't going to run 3 cutesy plays in a row, hoping one of them breaks for 60 yards while the other two net -1 yard.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:02 pm to Evolved Simian
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Hurts CANNOT THROW THE EFFING BALL DOWN THE FIELD consistently.
This. He's Brodie Croyle.
Actually, he's got a better completion percentage and a frickton more rushing yards, so he's better than that.
I would bet you any amount of money that if you take out all the bubble screens and the jet sweeps...where Hurts throws the ball all of three feet...that Croyle's pct is higher.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:18 pm to Evolved Simian
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He's Brodie Croyle.
There isn't a year past, present, or futute where jalen goes 3rd round as a qb. Even in the infinite parralel world theory this doesn't happen.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:39 pm to MoarKilometers
Did someone just compare Jalen Hurts to Brodie Croyle? I must not be able to read today.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:23 pm to Syd
Seems I upset some people by pointing out that Croyle's best season was 1,500 yds and 21 TDs worse than Hurts'.
Hurts is bad at qb, but he's FAR from the worst that we've had in recent years.
Hurts is bad at qb, but he's FAR from the worst that we've had in recent years.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:37 pm to Evolved Simian
Just like Jalen's stats, Brodie's stats were a result of the teams he played for. All things equal, I'd take Brodie's passing over Hurts' any day of the week.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:43 pm to Evolved Simian
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Hurts is bad at qb, but he's FAR from the worst that we've had in recent years.
I can’t think of anybody worse...
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