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re: What we know as Urban Meyer investigation wraps up
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:44 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:44 pm to imjustafatkid
She did go to police. Individuals at Ohio state asked her to drop charges or she would ruin his life and thus effect her children as well.
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:48 pm to TideWarrior
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Link please to where Paterno witnessed it. I remember reading it was reported to him but he did not witness so are you saying that someone else saying they saw it is verifiable?
It was reported to him by multiple people on multiple occasions. Far more to go on than what people are claiming Meyer was told.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:51 pm to imjustafatkid
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imjustafatkid
Goddamn, there was a lot of stupid in that post.
ETA - After reading the whole thread, it's clear that you have never been an employer, and never dealt with a victim or perpetrator of abuse. You don't even seem to have a moral compass. You really need to just stop posting.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:53 pm to Evolved Simian
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Goddamn, there was a lot of stupid in that post.
Y'all may look forward to the day where everyone is supposed to police everyone else and report every rumor of possible illegal actions that we can't prove to the police as we go about our day-to-day activities, but I'm not.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:00 pm to imjustafatkid
See my response above.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:04 pm to Evolved Simian
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ETA - After reading the whole thread, it's clear that you have never been an employer, and never dealt with a victim or perpetrator of abuse. You don't even seem to have a moral compass. You really need to just stop posting.
No one who has actually been an employer would have this response. You can't go off firing people because they didn't report rumors about other employees to the police (or to you), even if those employees report to them directly and their spouse showed them a text message alleging misconduct. Especially if it doesn't directly relate to their job.
In OSU's case they may be able to do this because of Meyer's contract, but this is not something that could be done with a standard employment contract. You would get sued and lose. The problem with the call for Meyer's head is it seems the folks calling for his firing are looking for this type of reality for everyone.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:16 pm to imjustafatkid
So, urban says he and his wife have been counseling this assistant coach. Then Urbans wife finds out this guy (who likes to take pics of his junk), has been beating up his wife. So what do you do about this employee that you have been counseling?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:17 pm to IB4bama
Some reports out of Ohio (the Columbus Dispatch) that Urban will be suspended.
Not sure what that means because he is already suspended. Probably for 2 weeks, and time served will count.
Not sure what that means because he is already suspended. Probably for 2 weeks, and time served will count.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:22 pm to imjustafatkid
This isn't a legal issue; it's a contractual issue. Meyer's contract specifically requires him to report any allegations of abuse.
Here's the actual contract language:
According to cleveland.com, "Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct policy, under the auspices of Title IX, requires all university employees to report what they know. Under domestic abuse, Ohio State's threshold is not whether a person has been charged. It reads in part, 'An individual need not be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense to be found responsible for domestic violence pursuant to this policy.'" (Italics are mine.)
Since Meyer's wife Shelley is also employed by the university, it's pretty clear she's gonna lose her job regardless -- unless she reported the situation to the administration. If she did, OSU is in even more trouble, since apparently no investigation was carried out.
You can complain about the atmosphere of legalism, and stomp your feet till the cows come home about it not being fair to Meyer -- but if he knew of the allegations and didn't report them, he can be fired with cause for violating his contract.
Whether he will be, of course, is open for discussion.
Here's the actual contract language:
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Coach shall promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ... For purposes of this Section 4.1 (e), a "known violation" shall mean a violation or allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause is taking place or may have taken place.
According to cleveland.com, "Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct policy, under the auspices of Title IX, requires all university employees to report what they know. Under domestic abuse, Ohio State's threshold is not whether a person has been charged. It reads in part, 'An individual need not be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense to be found responsible for domestic violence pursuant to this policy.'" (Italics are mine.)
Since Meyer's wife Shelley is also employed by the university, it's pretty clear she's gonna lose her job regardless -- unless she reported the situation to the administration. If she did, OSU is in even more trouble, since apparently no investigation was carried out.
You can complain about the atmosphere of legalism, and stomp your feet till the cows come home about it not being fair to Meyer -- but if he knew of the allegations and didn't report them, he can be fired with cause for violating his contract.
Whether he will be, of course, is open for discussion.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:23 pm to IB4bama
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who likes to take pics of his junk
Are they saying Urban knew he liked to do this? Including this item only weakens your argument here.
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urban says he and his wife have been counseling this assistant coach
I could be mistaken, but my understanding was that they counseled them while they were all still at Florida. I would assume he thought that part of their lives was over once the wife moved to Ohio with him. I've also seen it reported that neither the husband or the wife were blameless when it came to abusing each other, so I'm not real sure what I would have thought about the text message from her. Others in this thread have stated she filed false reports against her husband in the past. if that is the case then I'm not sure I would have believed those texts at all.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:26 pm to Sauron
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This isn't a legal issue; it's a contractual issue. Meyer's contract specifically requires him to report any allegations of abuse.
Yeah I have no issue with him being fired for contractual issues. That's totally on him. I don't think people are up in arms about it because they're concerned with OSU's coaches contracts, though. People claiming there's a "legal, moral, and ethical responsibility" to report rumors aren't really thinking through what they're saying.
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It reads in part, 'An individual need not be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense to be found responsible for domestic violence pursuant to this policy.'
Wow that's insane. These are the kinds of policies that lead to the Duke Lacrosse case.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:28 pm to Evolved Simian
It states very clearly in the the OSU employee policy handbook Meyer if had knowledge was required to report. His job status will depend did he know or not.
The law has no concern here other then he signed a contract which I assume required incorporation of the university policies for all employees to agree with since it is a part of the hiring process and acceptance of each employee. If he had knowledge by not reporting it he in breech of contract which may or may not lead to termination. But the state of Ohio is not friendly towards domestic violence and I doubt the a flagship university will differ from it.
The law has no concern here other then he signed a contract which I assume required incorporation of the university policies for all employees to agree with since it is a part of the hiring process and acceptance of each employee. If he had knowledge by not reporting it he in breech of contract which may or may not lead to termination. But the state of Ohio is not friendly towards domestic violence and I doubt the a flagship university will differ from it.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 3:04 pm to imjustafatkid
I never said Urban was going to jail over this. This is in relation to his employment responsibilities which he had a legal ethical and moral responsibility to report.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 3:47 pm to 14&Counting
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This is in relation to his employment responsibilities which he had a legal ethical and moral responsibility to report.
Nah, he only had a contractual responsibility to report it, and even that seems shaky. No one has an ethical or moral responsibility to report rumors about their coworkers to their boss. In fact, I'd say you have the exact opposite ethical & moral responsibility, and if the rumor could harm your coworker's employment opportunities then you also have a legal responsibility not to report said rumors to their boss. Reporting unfounded rumors that then cause your coworker to lose his/her job can and will result in you being financially and legally liable for his/her loss, especially if those rumors turn out to not be true. Literally no one should take the advice of the people making such statements as the one I quoted above.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 4:26 pm to imjustafatkid
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Nah, he only had a contractual responsibility to report it, and even that seems shaky.
Welcome to the world of academic contracts. This is what happens when pie-in-the-sky idealism meets harsh reality.
However you want to slice it, Meyer was contractually obligated to report rumors about someone on his staff involved in domestic violence. Once he reported it, it was on OSU administration to investigate and determine if the rumors were true.
Since Zach Smith wasn't terminated until July 2018, and since at least one university employee (Meyer's wife) knew about the issue long before that, something fell through the cracks somewhere. OSU's headache now is trying to determine who knew what and when.
Their choices are essentially:
1) Admitting their process broke down, and facing recriminations as a result
2) Just suspending Meyer, and looking like a hypocrite as a result
3) Firing Meyer (and his wife), and seriously damaging their football program as a result
I'm betting they choose 2) and try to spin it somehow. I think that's the wrong choice, but it ain't my call.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:54 pm to imjustafatkid
You are really one dumb son of a bitch. Like really stupid.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 6:30 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 8/20/18 at 6:51 pm to 14&Counting
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You are really one dumb son of a bitch. Like really stupid.
It’s remarkable.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:49 am to 14&Counting
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You are really one dumb son of a bitch. Like really stupid.
Says the guy telling people to commit defamation against their coworkers.
Seriously, no one should take the situation with Urban Meyer and then believe they have a moral, ethical, and legal obligation to report rumors about their coworkers. You better have firm proof or you will be getting yourself into some deep legal hot water. Do not listen to the fools in this thread who are stating otherwise. They will not be hearing your lawsuit.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:51 am to OldPete
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Appears it may be a suspension..
They already suspended him pending the investigation. I bet they add a game or two onto this to save face, but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets off with "time served," for lack of a better term.
There was no way they would have been able to fire him and have that stand in a court of law if Urban were to try to fight it. They probably didn't want to have to fight that part of their contracts in court because there is no way requiring the reporting of unverifiable rumors about coworkers stands up to scrutiny.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 9:55 am
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