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re: What are your Early thoughts on the DeBoer offense and Sheridan
Posted on 9/8/24 at 12:36 pm to PowHound
Posted on 9/8/24 at 12:36 pm to PowHound
I'll be honest - I'm not sure.
DeBoer's offense puts a lot on the QBs plate. He says that his offense is QB-centric.
I'm getting the feeling that our coaches thought that Milroe was much further along than he really was. Maybe he does better in practice and can't carry it over to the games idk.
I think this film session is going to be brutal, and they're going to realize what Rees had to realize last year: Milroe is a super dumb guy, and they're gonna have to really dumb this offense down for him.
Thank God that was USF last night and not Texas or Georgia.
I think sucking like that will ultimately help us out
DeBoer's offense puts a lot on the QBs plate. He says that his offense is QB-centric.
I'm getting the feeling that our coaches thought that Milroe was much further along than he really was. Maybe he does better in practice and can't carry it over to the games idk.
I think this film session is going to be brutal, and they're going to realize what Rees had to realize last year: Milroe is a super dumb guy, and they're gonna have to really dumb this offense down for him.
Thank God that was USF last night and not Texas or Georgia.
I think sucking like that will ultimately help us out
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 12:53 pm to BasedCrimson
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Thank God that was USF last night and not Texas or Georgia.
I think sucking like that will ultimately help us out
I agree that DeBoer was introduced to Milroe last night.
He was probably thinking, "but we went over this a million times- how is he not getting it?"
Welcome to football with Milroe at QB DeBoer.
The fact he thought he was going to stroll in and fix him where CNS simply didn't know what to do with him gives me concern.
In the era of mass transfers how the hell did the staff decide to have no options outside of Milroe ? Politics and fear IMO.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:04 pm to PowHound
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He was probably thinking, "but we went over this a million times- how is he not getting it?"
Welcome to football with Milroe at QB DeBoer.
I'm reminded of that camera shot during last year's Texas game where Rees was on the phone with Milroe, and he looked like the most miserable man on the planet
When Milroe is your QB, you have to make this offense super super simple. He drops back and starts panicking when you put too much on his plate.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:26 pm to PowHound
The OL has done Milroe no favors. They are plain bad.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:29 pm to PowHound
I think it is hard to judge because everyone is playing in a new scheme and the OL injury circumstances have exacerbated the inexperience with the scheme.
People complain about the streak routes but the USF gameplan was basically load up the box and jam the receivers at the line while grabbing them all the way down field. It is hard to throw over the middle when defenders are free in the QB's face. It is hard to throw short when the DBs are essentially doing the "commit holding 100% of the time, get called for it 10% of the time" strategy. It is hard to take advantage of their front aggression when pancake blocks most Saturdays are called a hold. Alabama had possibly 150 yards of offense (maybe more) erased by 2 iffy hold calls and a laughable block in the back call. Not the first time Alabama has drawn a Ken Williamson led crew and seen the game devolve into choppy affair where offensive progress is difficult for both teams. Dude hates watchable football and loves his grands getting to see his face on national television.
People complain about the streak routes but the USF gameplan was basically load up the box and jam the receivers at the line while grabbing them all the way down field. It is hard to throw over the middle when defenders are free in the QB's face. It is hard to throw short when the DBs are essentially doing the "commit holding 100% of the time, get called for it 10% of the time" strategy. It is hard to take advantage of their front aggression when pancake blocks most Saturdays are called a hold. Alabama had possibly 150 yards of offense (maybe more) erased by 2 iffy hold calls and a laughable block in the back call. Not the first time Alabama has drawn a Ken Williamson led crew and seen the game devolve into choppy affair where offensive progress is difficult for both teams. Dude hates watchable football and loves his grands getting to see his face on national television.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:35 pm to PowHound
Under center at the goal line - I get it but I don’t trust Milroe enough to do it. Better off with a designed run out of the shotgun.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:37 pm to AHM21
Can Milroe change plays at the line? Not sure he can
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:38 pm to PowHound
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The final score covered up the fact the starting QB had 7 completions in the game.
We won by 26. Milroe had another 75yd TD erased by a weak hold call
Idk why people are acting like the last 5 min of a football game magically doesn’t count
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:46 pm to HighTide_ATL
The last game where Milroe looked actually good at QB for an entire game was LSU last season...and we know how historically bad that Defense was.
He'll make a couple of big plays, but all of his weaknesses from last season are still there. We haven't seen any improvement, bad OL aside.
But CKD wasn't going to ditch a returning starter beloved by the team in his first season. We're riding with Milroe come Hell or high water.
He'll make a couple of big plays, but all of his weaknesses from last season are still there. We haven't seen any improvement, bad OL aside.
But CKD wasn't going to ditch a returning starter beloved by the team in his first season. We're riding with Milroe come Hell or high water.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 2:17 pm to Chad4Bama
The Armchair Coaches on this board are exhausting. It was this game last year we learned about our QB depth for starters. Also it's ok to have a bad game here or there an win. USF played like a team that had nothing to lose as do every subpar team we play. I'm confident the coaching staff will correct the problems and point out what our mistakes are. I'ts called growth. This is not the same team from last year, so we should act accordingly. Also in shifting topics. we should tell Notre Dame about Northern Illinois. Teams sometimes sneak up on you or you look ahead instead of in front of you.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 2:29 pm to Bama _Brotha
So our line is an excuse for Milroe but not for the USF game last year? \
Hell Ty looked fine in that game last year all things considered. And he looked fine last week.
\ Hell Ty looked fine in that game last year all things considered. And he looked fine last week.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:28 pm to PowHound
My main area of confusion is especially in that last game, USF was constantly blitzing but we didnt draw up any blitz beaters. Did we even have a single screen? I know screens were a major part of Washingtons offense last season. And dont give me shite about Milroe cant make a screen pass. They were not calling them, so in that sense you cant make them if they are not called. Im going to need to see a lot of missed screen attempts before i buy that Milroe is incapable of throwing one of the easiest passes in football
I do think they need to put Milroe on a strict 2 read limit though, and read 3 is just automatically find the biggest patch of green and run that way. He for whatever reason doesnt have great instincts of when its time to take off, so just make it a simple rule. If you dont get what you want with read one and two, run forward. We would cut down on negative plays, which is really all we need
also would like to see us move the pocket a bit and manipulate the launch point.
I do think they need to put Milroe on a strict 2 read limit though, and read 3 is just automatically find the biggest patch of green and run that way. He for whatever reason doesnt have great instincts of when its time to take off, so just make it a simple rule. If you dont get what you want with read one and two, run forward. We would cut down on negative plays, which is really all we need
also would like to see us move the pocket a bit and manipulate the launch point.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:39 pm to narddogg81
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Did we even have a single screen? I know screens were a major part of Washingtons offense last season. And dont give me shite about Milroe cant make a screen pass. They were not calling them, so in that sense you cant make them if they are not called. Im going to need to see a lot of missed screen attempts before i buy that Milroe is incapable of throwing one of the easiest passes in football
This is the mystery we are all trying to solve. Either our offensive head coach who should be elite it too stupid to see what we are seeing and intervene, or it's not in their playbook because they can't execute. I can't believe our coaches are too stupid two years in a row.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:55 pm to WW
quote:we know its in the playbook.
Either our offensive head coach who should be elite it too stupid to see what we are seeing and intervene, or it's not in their playbook because they can't execute
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:56 pm to narddogg81
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Did we even have a single screen?
Yeah, we threw one to Jam (I think) that he picked up like 15-20 yards on and it all got called back for a totally unnecessary block in the back by Booker. We also threw a couple of WR screens that worked OK. Milroe actually hit the underneath stuff when that was the playcall. We just kind of didn't do much of it for whatever reason, and if you give Milroe the option to go deep he's either going deep or getting sacked. I also think it's important to point out that literally every deep ball he threw last night should have resulted in a PI flag on that Rucker shithead. We were clearly targeting him intentionally and the zebras let him get away with murder.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:03 pm to UhOhOreo
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Hell Ty looked fine in that game last year all things considered.
Looking "fine" is going 5/9 for 73 yards
If that were Milroe it would be another example for why he must be benched
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:19 pm to YStar
For someone who loves to chirp about their football knowledge, you think you'd take an angle that isn't blanket stating his stat line
Even then, the man's a drop from 6/9 80 but that's somehow atrocious when we love to lament the line play keeping our QB's from performing
But who needs adjustments at the line and being able to put together a long sustained drive. Tyreek's down there somewhere
Even then, the man's a drop from 6/9 80 but that's somehow atrocious when we love to lament the line play keeping our QB's from performing
But who needs adjustments at the line and being able to put together a long sustained drive. Tyreek's down there somewhere
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:22 pm to UhOhOreo
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For someone who loves to chirp about their football knowledge, you think you'd take an angle that isn't blanket stating his stat line
Man's a drop from 6/9 80 but that's somehow atrocious when we love to lament the line play keeping our QB's from performing
This is what makes you guys hilarious.
You absolutely slaughter one guy for not being perfect then turn around and count hypothetical catches or scores for the other.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:41 pm to PowHound
quote:Completely different skill sets. Penix was an excellent passer. Milroe is a (usually) solid downfield threat, but the short and intermediate passes aren’t his thing.
Folks thats less than Grubb would dial up with Penix in one drive.
Not dogging Milroe, but he botched at least one slant. That’s… not great.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:11 pm to hwnd
Anyone expecting Milroe's football IQ to magically jump 20 pts overnight is delusional. He is what he is. A great athlete that struggles to process the complexities of today's offenses. He would have been a great wishbone QB back in the day. DeBoer and Sheridan need to simplify things not keep putting more on his plate. We can win with Milroe but it's going to real frustrating expecting him to read and react correctly to elite defenses. That's not his thing.
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