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re: UA back to school plan... Shame the unvaccinated kids
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:58 pm to CrimsonCoast
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:58 pm to CrimsonCoast
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On a larger healthcare scale, I think that insurance premiums should go up on non-vaccinated people. Just like other high risk demographics. I don't want to have to pay for your stupidity and ignorance.
$200K in the hospital just because you are afraid of a vaccine. You should have to pay that yourself.
This may possibly be the single most stupid thing ever posted on this board.
Impressive.
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 1:29 pm to The Spleen
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Their stupidity.
If that is your only intelligent response then you are the idiot.
Provide something to show your thoughts besides, nun unh!
Posted on 7/26/21 at 1:29 pm to The Spleen
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Because I'm ready to put this whole thing in our rearview mirror, and the safest and easiest way to do that is through vaccination. And I'm sick of seeing the ignorant and selfish reasons for not getting vaccinated. It isn't solely to protect you, but also your family, neighbors, and community. It's not a coincidence that areas with higher vaccination rates aren't seeing the caseloads areas with lower vaccination rates are.
Spoken like a true brain washed sheep. Good job young comrad. Your socialist party salutes you.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 2:08 pm to The Spleen
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Good. They need to be shamed.
idiot.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 2:35 pm to bogeypro
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My child is an incoming freshman to UA. This is ridiculous. Shame the unvaccinated kids... Vaccinated kids can still spread covid.
This isn't like the TB or MMR vaccine, which is required for school. This is strong arming and shaming. It's just wrong.
Nah. There's no strong-arming or "shaming" in the University's stated plans and protocols. It all seems pretty reasonable and appropriate.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 2:40 pm to TheNameIsDalton
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But hey they care about us.
We should care about all of it.
Our habits are making us sick, and honestly more susceptible to a devastating effect of COVID.
People get sick. It happens. We need to focus on COVID deaths and hospitalizations, which I think is the trigger here.
But overall, our nation is in terrible health. We are so overweight, it's not even funny. We consume sugar and processed foods at such a staggering rate, it's no wonder that heart disease is a leading cause of death.
I truly hope fast food goes the way of the cigarette whenever I have kids... it's absolute poison and should be treated as such.
No, fish and veggies isn't as delicious as a two-patty burger loaded to the gills, shared with fries and washed down by a Coke. It's scientifically engineered to be that way by these mega-food companies.
But the benefits of eating well far outweigh the super-charged taste bomb you get from that kind of food.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:13 pm to bogeypro
I do not see any shaming in this. They are basically saying it is your choice to get vaccinated or not but understand if you decide not to, which UA does not require, special accommodations in regards to academic classes will not be offered.
I fail to understand why a professor who teaches an in person class should be required to be prepared to go beyond to accommodate a student who made a choice fully understanding the consequences of that decisions.
If a student and/or family does not like the plan they can enroll in online courses or attend elsewhere.
I fail to understand why a professor who teaches an in person class should be required to be prepared to go beyond to accommodate a student who made a choice fully understanding the consequences of that decisions.
If a student and/or family does not like the plan they can enroll in online courses or attend elsewhere.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 4:06 pm to imjustafatkid
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This is stupid, and I think they are setting themselves up for legal repercussions. They are not shielded from the vaccine passport law passed by our state government. The only way they can enforce any of those things on unvaccinated kids is to ask for some sort of verification of vaccine status, which is a violation of that law. If they do that, I hope someone takes them to court.
Looks like I was dead on accurate. AG Steve Marshall released a statement today pretty much putting state institutions on notice that they are violating the law if they do things like this.
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This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 7:30 pm to imjustafatkid
What part of it violates the law? There’s no requirement in it that I read.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:55 pm to The Spleen
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What part of it violates the law? There’s no requirement in it that I read.
You can't ask people to provide proof that they are vaccinated. Exactly how do you think UA is going to force unvaccinated kids to wear a face covering without asking for proof of vaccination status?
In effect, that law makes everything they announced optional. UA can't ask students to prove they are vaccinated, so nothing they announced is enforceable in any way.
If they do what they must do to enforce those rules (which means asking for proof of vaccine status), then they are violating the law.
ETA: Thank goodness was our notoriously slow state government finally got something right for once.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:57 pm to The Spleen
I am curious as well what law is being violated. This is what was linked.
Pursuant to state law, UA will not mandate the COVID vaccine as a condition of attendance.
Sounds like they are following the law here.
Unvaccinated individuals are expected to wear a mask inside campus buildings and continue to practice social distancing wherever possible.
Not be mandated but is expected so no one being forced but asking individuals to be cautious per the CDC and state guidelines if anything.
Per CDC and ADPH guidance, unvaccinated individuals remain subject to quarantine/isolation protocols, in the event of a positive test or potential exposure.
They are following the state's guidance here so again how can they be sued or how are they breaking the law?
Individuals required to follow quarantine/isolation protocols should plan to return to their legal residence. For campus residents unable to return home, UA will maintain limited on-campus housing designated for this purpose.
UA is trying to get back to pre-pandemic conditions which means they need have access to full housing and not provide as much for quarantine.
“For-cause” testing may be required for specified, unvaccinated individuals under the UA System Health and Safety plan in the event of a suspected increase in exposures at a specific location or among an identified group.
That seems to apply to an outbreak and not sure why this would be an issue
Faculty teaching in-person classes are not required to provide online options due to COVID quarantine or isolation, absent necessary accommodations. Missing up to two weeks of class can have a major impact on academic experiences and potentially affect grades.
Again faculty are not required to accommodate even is a student misses for the flu or any illness for a long period of time. So why would this bring an exception. Hence why students have a drop date for a course or can maybe take an incomplete.
Pursuant to state law, UA will not mandate the COVID vaccine as a condition of attendance.
Sounds like they are following the law here.
Unvaccinated individuals are expected to wear a mask inside campus buildings and continue to practice social distancing wherever possible.
Not be mandated but is expected so no one being forced but asking individuals to be cautious per the CDC and state guidelines if anything.
Per CDC and ADPH guidance, unvaccinated individuals remain subject to quarantine/isolation protocols, in the event of a positive test or potential exposure.
They are following the state's guidance here so again how can they be sued or how are they breaking the law?
Individuals required to follow quarantine/isolation protocols should plan to return to their legal residence. For campus residents unable to return home, UA will maintain limited on-campus housing designated for this purpose.
UA is trying to get back to pre-pandemic conditions which means they need have access to full housing and not provide as much for quarantine.
“For-cause” testing may be required for specified, unvaccinated individuals under the UA System Health and Safety plan in the event of a suspected increase in exposures at a specific location or among an identified group.
That seems to apply to an outbreak and not sure why this would be an issue
Faculty teaching in-person classes are not required to provide online options due to COVID quarantine or isolation, absent necessary accommodations. Missing up to two weeks of class can have a major impact on academic experiences and potentially affect grades.
Again faculty are not required to accommodate even is a student misses for the flu or any illness for a long period of time. So why would this bring an exception. Hence why students have a drop date for a course or can maybe take an incomplete.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:59 pm to TideWarrior
It either is
1. In violation of the law.
Or
2. Something they have no way to enforce because they can't know who is vaccinated. Meaningless words.
Those are the only options. If you want to say they came out with a bunch of words with no meaning, then I agree with that, but that clearly wasn't the intent. AG Marshall's statement today was clearly a response to UA's rules they were wanting to enforce.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:19 pm to imjustafatkid
What law have they broken though?
If there is a breakout they can require everyone vaccinated or not to be tested to ensure public safety with those within the group or proximity. At that point I assume anyone vaccinated will come forward to say I am vaccinated and those that do not will get tested.
I really could care less what the AG says because if it becomes a public safety issue the school will do what it has to to prevent itself from being sued within the guideline of the law.
And did you not read what the AG said?
It prohibits institutions of education—both public and private—from requiring students to prove any new immunization status as a condition of attendance
Where is UA requiring a student to show they have been vacinated? In what universe is UA going against what the AG has said?
UA said:
Per CDC and ADPH guidance, unvaccinated individuals remain subject to quarantine/isolation protocols, in the event of a positive test or potential exposure.
Individuals required to follow quarantine/isolation protocols should plan to return to their legal residence. For campus residents unable to return home, UA will maintain limited on-campus housing designated for this purpose.
They are following what the state has told them to do.
I am reading what is exactly written from both UA and the AG. Not sure what you are reading here.
If there is a breakout they can require everyone vaccinated or not to be tested to ensure public safety with those within the group or proximity. At that point I assume anyone vaccinated will come forward to say I am vaccinated and those that do not will get tested.
I really could care less what the AG says because if it becomes a public safety issue the school will do what it has to to prevent itself from being sued within the guideline of the law.
And did you not read what the AG said?
It prohibits institutions of education—both public and private—from requiring students to prove any new immunization status as a condition of attendance
Where is UA requiring a student to show they have been vacinated? In what universe is UA going against what the AG has said?
UA said:
Per CDC and ADPH guidance, unvaccinated individuals remain subject to quarantine/isolation protocols, in the event of a positive test or potential exposure.
Individuals required to follow quarantine/isolation protocols should plan to return to their legal residence. For campus residents unable to return home, UA will maintain limited on-campus housing designated for this purpose.
They are following what the state has told them to do.
I am reading what is exactly written from both UA and the AG. Not sure what you are reading here.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:21 pm to imjustafatkid
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Something they have no way to enforce because they can't know who is vaccinated. Meaningless words.
They can know who is vaccinated. They just can't require that a person's vaccine status is disclosed to the school. You can volunteer your own medical information though, including vaccination status. There's nothing stopping them from quarantining all students who come into close contact with a confirmed case and then giving students the option of providing proof of vaccination to satisfy the quarantine requirements. As a practical matter all vaccinated students would, but they are not being required to do so and would still have the option of keeping their medical information confidential and going through the quarantine protocol.
I'd agree that masks are not enforceable, but then they're only being "expected" rather than required.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:31 pm to Robot Santa
In the end it is very simple. UA is not violating any law but they are issuing a statement, probably issued from their legal team, that they hope to use as a legal blanket to prevent them from being sued in case there is a mass break out of Covid and/or deaths relating from it.
It is a prevention of liability statement and nothing more. The statement from the AG is them addressing all the confused people of what legally can and can not be enforced who continually contact his office. It is not a statement aimed directly at UA or anyone entity specifically.
It is a prevention of liability statement and nothing more. The statement from the AG is them addressing all the confused people of what legally can and can not be enforced who continually contact his office. It is not a statement aimed directly at UA or anyone entity specifically.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:41 pm to TideWarrior
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that they hope to use as a legal blanket to prevent them from being sued in case there is a mass break out of Covid and/or deaths relating from it.
Here's an idea. Instead of increasing insurance premiums for Coronavirus medical care and suing American businesses for potential avenues of infection why don't we sanction the frick out of China, hold those Communist pieces of shite liable for unleashing this bullshite on the rest of the world and tax the shite out of their cheap arse products to cripple their economy the way they did ours?
They are responsible for this bullshite and they need to be held accountable.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:41 pm to Robot Santa
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There's nothing stopping them from quarantining all students who come into close contact with a confirmed case and then giving students the option of providing proof of vaccination to satisfy the quarantine requirements.
Actually, you're wrong. That is totally and completely in violation of this law and they would lose any case brought against them over this.
ETA: Anyone who thinks UA will be able to enforce any of these edicts is fooling himself. Everything they claim they will be doing is in violation of the state statute because they simply cannot ask people to provide their vaccine paperwork for any reason. Saying "you can return to class sooner with evidence you've received the vaccine" IS asking for your vaccine status. Leaving it as an option to return to class IS against the law.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:45 pm to TideWarrior
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Where is UA requiring a student to show they have been vacinated? In what universe is UA going against what the AG has said?
There is no way they can know who is unvaccinated. Someone simply saying they are vaccinated is good enough under Alabama law. They could never ever require them to provide proof. Actually, they can't even ask in the first place, so there should never be a situation where someone had to respond to such a thing.
Or, someone simply saying "I don't have to tell you that" and going back to class would be totally within their rights to do so.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:54 pm to TideSaint
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Instead of increasing insurance premiums for Coronavirus medical care and suing American businesses for potential avenues of infection why don't we sanction the frick out of China, hold those Communist pieces of shite liable for unleashing this bullshite on the rest of the world and tax the shite out of their cheap arse products to cripple their economy the way they did ours?
I totally agree, but we don't have the right person in the White House for that. We have a completely stupid portion of our population that truly doesn't understand what we lost.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:03 pm to imjustafatkid
This meme is so accurate it's fricking sad:
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