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re: Tommy Rees is our new offensive coordinator
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:32 pm to RollTide33
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:32 pm to RollTide33
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But what do some of these fans want from him?
Saban has always been a step ahead. We have trusted him to make the best decisions for Alabama, and he’s almost always done just that.
The hope was that he already had new guys picked out and ready to go. We all thought it was clear that both were leaving, that he was just as disappointed with the previous guys as we were, and that he had a master plan to fix it. Unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be the case.
We thought he was playing chess to everyone’s checkers, but so far it looks like he’s just as in the dark about who will be our next coordinators as we are. How is that possible? How did he not have feelers out to every hot name out there? Were there no back channel discussions?
I hate constant negativity and baseless, “He’s lost it” posts, but this definitely doesn’t feel normal.
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:36 pm to Tupelo
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How is doing the best you can defeatist? Contrary to the old sports saying, you can't give 110%, only 100%. A man can only do his best. If he chooses Grantham, you can bet it's not because all of a sudden Saban got lazy or tired. We don't know all the factors that are going on behind the scenes. Pruitt may still be radioactive, as might Jimmy Lake, Leonhard may have no desire to work in the SEC, Schumann may be satisfied with his position at Georgia. Where does that leave us, an inexperienced young guy? We saw how worked out with Pete Golding. A journeyman like Kevin Steele? Is that much different than Grantham? Saban has way more familiarity with what we need than we do, we'll just have to let him do his job and support the ones he hires. Sure, I'd love to see us hire some can't miss candidate, but that just may not be in the cards.
I hear you, but if Milroe gets the nod this year and stinks it up, does Ty sit the bench? I mean I’m sure Milroe will give it 100%, right? I’m sure coach will see his effort and tell us all he is doing the best he can.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:40 pm to footstepsfalco
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But the ones, and there are plenty, who say Saban isn't holding to his own standard, doesn't care as much as he used to, or has decided to coast into retirement are idiots.
How do you think 2007-2017 Saban would have reacted if he heard a player tell a reporter how the team was anxious before a high profile game? Do you think 2007-2017 Saban would tell the fan base to “just be happy with winning”? The same Saban who preached “make their arse quit” is now saying “hey, let’s just be happy we won”. Past players have even said the practices and mentality isn’t the same now as it was back then. But yes, by all means, he’s still holding to his standard. I’m sure he hates losing, but I refuse to sit here and believe the same standard is being demanded as back then.
I’m not going to sit here and pump sunshine when clouds are forming.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:40 pm to Tupelo
If these hires can’t coach and plan any better than the last 2 it’s over. Too many other programs are on the rise.
I’m of the thought that Saban has done enough that he has earned the right to stay as long as he desires, no matter what that means for the program, but I was really hoping he could bring on some guys to make another run. It could still happen, but it’s not looking likely.
I’m of the thought that Saban has done enough that he has earned the right to stay as long as he desires, no matter what that means for the program, but I was really hoping he could bring on some guys to make another run. It could still happen, but it’s not looking likely.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:43 pm to Goombaw
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The hope was that he already had new guys picked out and ready to go. We all thought it was clear that both were leaving, that he was just as disappointed with the previous guys as we were, and that he had a master plan to fix it. Unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be the case. We thought he was playing chess to everyone’s checkers, but so far it looks like he’s just as in the dark about who will be our next coordinators as we are. How is that possible? How did he not have feelers out to every hot name out there? Were there no back channel discussions? I hate constant negativity and baseless, “He’s lost it” posts, but this definitely doesn’t feel normal.
This. All of this. Exactly this.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:45 pm to Diego Ricardo
quote:But he does deserve unquestioned respect and appreciation and the benefit-of-the-doubt for what he has accomplished on behalf of the Alabama football program, the University, the state and the fans of the program. The attitude and verbiage used means everything when dealing with these things, and Saban deserves the best of all of these until he retires.
Most of Saban's worst staff hires have been since the end of the 2017 season. I'm not sure Saban deserves unquestioned confidence on this front anymore.
There is almost no monetary value that can be attached to the value he has added to the program. The only way fans can repay him is to treat him with respect and appreciation at all times. Not that he is above criticism but the manner in which it is presented matters a great deal to those who insist on offering it.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:47 pm to Goombaw
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How did he not have feelers out to every hot name out there? Were there no back channel discussions?
How do you know there weren't? Let's take one name for example. Garrett Riley. Maybe Saban reached out after the National Championship and said hey O'Brien is leaving and I want you to replace him. Then Clemson calls him and says the same thing. Maybe Riley, like his cowardly brother, decided to go to a team and conference where he'd only have to play one or two real games a season to make the playoff.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:53 pm to footstepsfalco
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I hear you, but if Milroe gets the nod this year and stinks it up, does Ty sit the bench? I mean I’m sure Milroe will give it 100%, right? I’m sure coach will see his effort and tell us all he is doing the best he can.
That's not even an apples and oranges comparison. One situation is not even remotely comparable to the other. But, for the sake of the ridiculous comparison , if a quarterback playing for you was doing everything humanly possible within his power, would you chew him out when you didn't like his results? Would that do any good, or would it just be a stupid waste of your time, and his.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:58 pm to RollTide33
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How do you know there weren't?
Let’s say he did. What’s that say about the program? He put out feelers and not a single one panned out. To me that worse than not putting feelers out.
I’m not all doom and gloom. Our recruiting is still top notch and I think Saban can still win a championship with mid level coaches. But again, let’s remove the crimson glasses when looking at this.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:00 pm to GAFF
If it's Rees, it's much more an unknown in terms of ceiling than anything else. He's at worst a "good" OC. It's TBD on anything more than that.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:00 pm to Tupelo
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not even an apples and oranges comparison. One situation is not even remotely comparable to the other. But, for the sake of the ridiculous comparison , if a quarterback playing for you was doing everything humanly possible within his power, would you chew him out when you didn't like his results? Would that do any good, or would it just be a stupid waste of your time, and his.
No sir, I would simply pull him and explain to him that we have to use the guy that gives us the best chance to win. I don’t think anyone here is “chewing him out”. I don’t think you and I are going to agree on this and that is completely fine. Regardless of how this goes, at the end of the day, everyone here wants what’s best for the team. It’s a weird time. Maybe it’s good for everyone to vent.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:02 pm to RollTide33
Money talks.
Nick Saban is the highest paid coach in the country. Alabama has the money to attract anyone they want. If people are no longer buying into the Saban aura and wanting to coach for the GOAT, then make them offers they can’t refuse. Reset the market. Go get the best in the business and close out the greatest dynasty in the history of the sport in style.
Nick Saban is the highest paid coach in the country. Alabama has the money to attract anyone they want. If people are no longer buying into the Saban aura and wanting to coach for the GOAT, then make them offers they can’t refuse. Reset the market. Go get the best in the business and close out the greatest dynasty in the history of the sport in style.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:05 pm to tattoo
Not that anyone gives a dam what I think but as someone whose thrown the Bobby Bowden comparison around and been highly critical of Saban the last year, the OC/DC stuff hasn’t been a concern at all. The lack of info from “insiders” is comforting. Saban seems to know what he wants, taking his time talking to ppl he trust and conducting interviews while keeping everything quiet. The guy not only saved this recruiting class but added to it, everybody chill out he’s still got it.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:07 pm to Goombaw
I understand this sort of talk about a guy who is older and has coached at multiple high level jobs and is a "we know what he is" coach like Todd Grantham. Acting like Saban found a guy he likes and sees something in with our program falls on deaf ears there. I get it.
Rees is 30. He's only coached at Notre Dame, a place with good players but a very well documented lack of talent at key offensive positions (QB/WR) relative to their Top 10-20 opponent types in terms of athleticism and skill. And he's, mostly, had very solid offenses (especially when you look at advanced metrics). He's very highly regarded by coaching nerds for his schemes and Xs and Os knowledge.
I get being pissed off at Grantham (if that happens). I don't get acting the world is ending with Rees.
JMHO
Rees is 30. He's only coached at Notre Dame, a place with good players but a very well documented lack of talent at key offensive positions (QB/WR) relative to their Top 10-20 opponent types in terms of athleticism and skill. And he's, mostly, had very solid offenses (especially when you look at advanced metrics). He's very highly regarded by coaching nerds for his schemes and Xs and Os knowledge.
I get being pissed off at Grantham (if that happens). I don't get acting the world is ending with Rees.
JMHO
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
At least we'll throw to the tight ends again. 
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I understand this sort of talk about a guy who is older and has coached at multiple high level jobs and is a "we know what he is" coach like Todd Grantham. Acting like Saban found a guy he likes and sees something in with our program falls on deaf ears there. I get it.
Rees is 30. He's only coached at Notre Dame, a place with good players but a very well documented lack of talent at key offensive positions (QB/WR) relative to their Top 10-20 opponent types in terms of athleticism and skill. And he's, mostly, had very solid offenses. He's very highly regarded by coaching needs for his schemes and Xs and Os knowledge.
I get being pissed off at Grantham. I don't get acting the world is ending with Rees.
JMHO
I agree completely. I'm not mad at Rees if he's the choice. Not at all. This DC hire, on the other hand, is different.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:15 pm to Shaft Williams
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This DC hire, on the other hand, is different.
100% - the only way the DC thing even slightly is acceptable is if he's decided Armstrong is the guy and he makes Grantham his co-DC.
And even then, it's basically walking down the same Pete Golding path again and hoping this one actually works. Not great.
But that's very much an assumption about where we go at DC and could be way off. I sure hope so.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Is Mike Shula available?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I'm sure Rees is a better hire than Grantham.
Or is he?
It was one hell of a dynasty. Can't last forever.
Or is he?
It was one hell of a dynasty. Can't last forever.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:38 pm to Lieutenant Dan
We all agreed this was Saban's most important offseason since he got here. It's not going well so far. Hope that changes soon.
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