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Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:21 pm to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:21 pm to
The Athletic's latest bracket has

#6 Alabama vs #11 Notre Dame (Indy)
#3 Purdue vs #14 Towson (Indy)

So a potential 2nd round matchup with Purdue in Indianapolis, which isn't great.

However, the matchups would probably be as good as we could hope for. Purdue and Notre Dame are amongst the worst teams in the country at turning teams over, and while Purdue is incredible on offense their defense is horrid. If the other team isn't turning us over, we can be really good offensively (obviously).

Sweet 16 would most likely be #2 Villanova

Elite 8 would be #1 Auburn, #4 UCLA, #5 Houston
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 2:24 pm
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
31087 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:22 pm to
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If I'm not mistaken, we had to burn 2 timeouts Saturday because we couldn't get the ball inbounds. JD always inbounds when he's in the game. Most of the time he struggles to find an open man. Calling timeouts in that situation is as good as a turnover to me.

Have you noticed how players nearly walk through the inbounds play, and rarely use a screen set for them properly(quickly). It's mind blowing each time they do it.
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
25587 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:25 pm to
I’m thinking as long as we don’t lose Thursday, we should pretty much be locked into a 6 seed and if we somehow beat UK, that’d get us the 5 seed. Lose to Vandy or Georgia and I can see us fall to a 7 or 8.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:27 pm to
Does Florida lock up a bid with a win over A&M?

Would A&M lock up a bid win wins over Florida & Auburn?
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:39 pm to
We would run ND off the floor IMO
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9398 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:41 pm to
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Also, when it comes to defense, there is one big issue that we don't talk about a ton (partly because it is a symptom of the stuff we do talk about) - we barely cause ANY turnovers. A lot of that is because physically we can't force anybody to do anything, especially opposing guards. But if you can't turn people over, it's gonna be REALLY hard to be an above average defense.



Agree. That's also another point to add about of offensive system's success. We just don't get the benefit of many live ball turnovers leading to easy buckets the other way this year. We sure seems to give up a ton of them needlessly though.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30370 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:44 pm to
Lunardi now has us as a 6 playing Creighton an 11.

I’m for it. We owe them an arse kicking because Releford most definitely got fouled
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:44 pm to
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We would run ND off the floor IMO



LOL we don't run anybody off the floor
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
25587 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:46 pm to
I think either of them would also have to beat Auburn to get in.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9398 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:49 pm to
quote:

Have you noticed how players nearly walk through the inbounds play, and rarely use a screen set for them properly(quickly). It's mind blowing each time they do it.


Yeah, it's out and out languid on some inbounds plays. No crisp movement and some players even starting before ref has handed ball to inbounding player so we're just all out of since when he gets it.

The drawn up inbounds plays themselves are generally good but execution is often non existent.

There's really a lot of nonchalance that creeps into our play (turnovers where we just lazily throw a perimeter pass like it's a practice drill without defenders being the worst).

Even more surprising given the amount of substitutions too.

Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30370 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 3:15 pm to
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LOL we don't run anybody off the floor


You gotta believe, George
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 3:23 pm to
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You gotta believe, George



Posted by Bama Bird
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Mar 2013
22840 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 3:36 pm to
The only thing that would surprise me is a Final 4 appearance. Everything else from not winning another game this year to making Elite 8 is on the table.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:04 pm to
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Damn I ain’t play in a real basketball game in more than 2 years ?? I’ll keep being patient for what GOD got for me ????


Frenchie on the tweeter
Posted by TheNameIsDalton
Huntsville
Member since Mar 2021
1541 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:07 pm to
Those two matchups are about as good as we can hope for if being realistic. I'd feel more confident in a shoot-out against Purdue than I would be going against a school like Texas Tech's defense.
Posted by TiderinVa
Hampton, Virginia
Member since May 2018
850 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:17 pm to
I was at the missouri game in Ttown , we won that game by extending our defense out beyond the 3:point line. Hopefully its something nate takes a hard look at in future years because we totally flipped that game and got them out of sorts
Posted by ss4bama12
Nashville
Member since Mar 2020
478 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:20 pm to
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If any season proves Oats system on offense is the way to go, this one has to be it. Basically all the things that should prove it doesn't work have happened and we still have an efficient offense.

Nobody is even close to our efficiency with a turnover rate around 20%.


I get what you are saying and I agree for the most part but I sometimes wonder if that TO rate of 20% is also somewhat due to the system. I feel like our guys are so intent on playing fast that they get completely out of control and when they attack the lane they either charge or get in the air with nowhere to go with the ball. And if that is the case then is the offense really that efficient? I'm not sure what factors in to the offensive efficiency numbers but I would think TO's would have to be a component.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46334 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:35 pm to
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I feel like our guys are so intent on playing fast that they get completely out of control and when they attack the lane they either charge or get in the air with nowhere to go with the ball.


If only those kind of plays were the bulk of our turnovers. If they were we'd be much better off. Half of our turnovers are on idiotic shite like making dumb or lazy passes out on the perimeter or through the paint, dribbling into a corner, dribbling the ball off of our feet, or something of an equally stupid, non-competitive nature.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:37 pm to
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I get what you are saying and I agree for the most part but I sometimes wonder if that TO rate of 20% is also somewhat due to the system. I feel like our guys are so intent on playing fast that they get completely out of control and when they attack the lane they either charge or get in the air with nowhere to go with the ball. And if that is the case then is the offense really that efficient? I'm not sure what factors in to the offensive efficiency numbers but I would think TO's would have to be a component.


I think the system requires a steady hand at PG because of how many split second decisions you have to make. Remember Kira's first 10-15 games under Oats? He was turning it over at an astronomical rate. But then he seemed to get comfortable making reads quickly and the turnovers went way down.

I just think JD isn't close to ready to run a high level college offense, especially not one like this that relies on quick reads and decisions. And JQ comes and goes.

If you have a PG you trust I think the offense is pretty turnover neutral. If you don't, they are going to come in bunches.

Oats has had some really solid TO% teams and some horrid ones. His last 2 years at Buffalo with a trusted PG they were in the top 50 nationally in turnover rate. In his first 2 years they were #226 and #263. Last year we were average (#158).
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 5:39 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:40 pm to
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If only those kind of plays were the bulk of our turnovers. If they were we'd be much better off. Half of our turnovers are on idiotic shite like making dumb or lazy passes out on the perimeter or through the paint, dribbling into a corner, dribbling the ball off of our feet, or something of an equally stupid, non-competitive nature.


That is by far the most frustrating part. Turnovers on lazy and/or stupid passes that aren't even aggressive decisions that just don't work.

And, those are the ones that generally lead to fast breaks the other way because they are out in the open floor.
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