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Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:41 pm to TiderinVa
Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:41 pm to TiderinVa
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I was at the missouri game in Ttown , we won that game by extending our defense out beyond the 3:point line. Hopefully its something nate takes a hard look at in future years because we totally flipped that game and got them out of sorts
We did that again A&M and they continually just ran past us.
That's the whole adjustment thing that has been hit or miss. Missouri doesn't have quick or athletic guards, the strategy of pressing them out high made a lot of sense and disrupted them. A&M proved pretty quickly they were gonna get past us, and we just kept doing it over and over.
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Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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That is by far the most frustrating part. Turnovers on lazy and/or stupid passes that aren't even aggressive decisions that just don't work.
Yep. I can forgive a guy getting popped for a charge on an aggressive drive trying to make a play. Non-chalantly passing the ball around the perimeter until someone jumps the lane and scores on an uncontested dunk the other way I cannot.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:44 pm to DT55Forever1
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I know. I'm just saying having more variety on offense can be helpful.
When we play any team like Auburn or UK that utilizes the entire half court, they are usually harder to guard. They both are also very effective in the low post with Kessler and Oscar, in an area we don't emphasize at all.
For example, in the LSU game, the group of Q, Shack, Keon and JD took 46 shots while Gurley and Bediako took a total of 5 shots. Alot of the time, we're putting a lineup on the floor where the opponent only has to focus on guarding 3 people. Now, if those three light it up then we've got something.
I'd rather guard a team that only shoots lay ups and threes as opposed to a team that uses a traditional low post, mid range, the 3pt and drives to the rim.
Unfortunately for us this season, the only area of emphasis for Oats we are doing well in is free throw shooting.
We don't shoot the 3pt well, we don't finish as well at the rim as we should and we don't play solid defense.
We are 2nd in the league and 11th in the country offensively according to KenPom with one of the worst 3pt percentages in the country using an offense predicated on taking a massive amount of 3-pointers. I'm not sure there has ever been a more glowing endorsement of the analytic approach than this basketball team.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:46 pm to BigBird09
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We are 2nd in the league and 11th in the country offensively according to KenPom with one of the worst 3pt percentages in the country using an offense predicated on taking a massive amount of 3-pointers. I'm not sure there has ever been a more glowing endorsement of the analytic approach than this basketball team.
Agreed - we are bad at the thing that everyone said you have to be able to do in this offense to be any good. And we're good on offense anyway. If this season has proven anything it's that Oats offensive philosophy works with even bad shooting, poor ball handling teams. This team would be #100-120 in offensive efficiency playing in a "normal" college offense. It would be mind numbingly bad.
The thing this offense opens up that others don't is offensive rebounding. And with rosters of long athletic guys that is a huge plus for us, and our future rosters will be even longer and more athletic.
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 6:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Agree... Our offensive system isnt the problem, all comes down to cutting out the lazy turnovers. We have length and athleticism on the way next year, which can only help on both ends of the floor.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 6:05 pm to TiderinVa
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Agree... Our offensive system isnt the problem, all comes down to cutting out the lazy turnovers. We have length and athleticism on the way next year, which can only help on both ends of the floor.
Yep - the point guard spot is the lynchpin to the whole thing. That guy has to be decisive and confident (bordering on cocky) in everything he does. If he has a tendency to settle or take too long to make a decision the entire thing breaks down.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 6:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Anybody watching this SEC Inside?…Oats looks visibly frustrated/exhausted with this team
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 6:20 pm to mistaken4193
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Anybody watching this SEC Inside?…Oats looks visibly frustrated/exhausted with this team
No, but that sounds about how he seems to have looked all year long. It certainly seems like he's putting out one fire after another.
This is one of those years that could end up just being a blip where we look back and see that it was just a year of terrible luck with roster stuff, him not anticipating leadership issues, etc or as a sign of things to come. I choose to believe it is the former and we'll be see less of this in the future.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 6:21 pm to SummerOfGeorge
How do you guys rate the coaches in the SEC at this point after another season is ending?
1a. Calipari
1b. Pearl
3. Muss
4. Barnes
5a. Oats
5b. Wade
7. Buzz
8. White
9. Stackhouse
10. Frank Martin
11. Howland
12. Cuonzo
13. Kermit
14. Crean
Yours?
1a. Calipari
1b. Pearl
3. Muss
4. Barnes
5a. Oats
5b. Wade
7. Buzz
8. White
9. Stackhouse
10. Frank Martin
11. Howland
12. Cuonzo
13. Kermit
14. Crean
Yours?
Posted on 3/7/22 at 6:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Calipari and Pearl 1A and 1B?
No offense George, but what are you smoking.
No offense George, but what are you smoking.
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 6:25 pm to TrojanTide
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Calipari and Pearl 1A and 1B?
What are you smoking
If I was picking a coach to come run my program today I don't think I'd have Cal ahead of Pearl. What Pearl has done the last 5 years is incredible, and he had a similar great run at Tennessee before that (and he is better now than he was then, much like Saban at Alabama vs LSU).
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 6:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Not directed at one person.
I never said the offense was our problem. I just suggested ways to improve it. I've clearly stated on numerous occasions about our defensive issues and it causing most of our problems. Just like I suggested MIXING IN different zone pressures to take pressure off our constant straight man issues. After that, suddenly I'm a zone only guy.
So I'm clear. I like Oats and think he's a good coach. I do feel he can make improvements and make better adjustments. I like his offensive system. I think he can mix in some things to improve it considering the shooting and turnover issues. I would prefer to play man most of the game. With our individual defensive weaknesses, I think he should mix in some zone pressures to help our weaker defenders.
The fact is there are multiple ways to get the job done. The key is having the right players to match the system you want to run and them executing it.
Everyone can take a look at the top 25 and see a wide variety of systems of offense and defense. You see Villanova in the top 10 with a system closer to ours then you've got others using a more traditional style.
My point has always been that we can make improvements in all areas.
We've lost 12 games, We're not in the top 25. We're the 6th seed in our conference tournament. We've beaten teams considered better than us but we've lost games we never should have lost. We haven't arrived in any area of play.
I've lived and died with Bama basketball since the early 80s. I pray that one day we can cut down the nets at the end of the big one. Winning the conference, the SEC tournament and playing well in the NCAAT last season was special. I was hoping to see us go farther this year but maybe we will next season.
I never said the offense was our problem. I just suggested ways to improve it. I've clearly stated on numerous occasions about our defensive issues and it causing most of our problems. Just like I suggested MIXING IN different zone pressures to take pressure off our constant straight man issues. After that, suddenly I'm a zone only guy.
So I'm clear. I like Oats and think he's a good coach. I do feel he can make improvements and make better adjustments. I like his offensive system. I think he can mix in some things to improve it considering the shooting and turnover issues. I would prefer to play man most of the game. With our individual defensive weaknesses, I think he should mix in some zone pressures to help our weaker defenders.
The fact is there are multiple ways to get the job done. The key is having the right players to match the system you want to run and them executing it.
Everyone can take a look at the top 25 and see a wide variety of systems of offense and defense. You see Villanova in the top 10 with a system closer to ours then you've got others using a more traditional style.
My point has always been that we can make improvements in all areas.
We've lost 12 games, We're not in the top 25. We're the 6th seed in our conference tournament. We've beaten teams considered better than us but we've lost games we never should have lost. We haven't arrived in any area of play.
I've lived and died with Bama basketball since the early 80s. I pray that one day we can cut down the nets at the end of the big one. Winning the conference, the SEC tournament and playing well in the NCAAT last season was special. I was hoping to see us go farther this year but maybe we will next season.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 6:57 pm to DT55Forever1
Absolutely - right with ya
Agree - this group sometimes needs some smoke and mirrors and change ups to steal some possessions. I wish Oats would get a little more creative defensively to try and mask things, but it also could be they just don't trust these guys to do that
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So I'm clear. I like Oats and think he's a good coach. I do feel he can make improvements and make better adjustments. I like his offensive system. I think he can mix in some things to improve it considering the shooting and turnover issues. I would prefer to play man most of the game. With our individual defensive weaknesses, I think he should mix in some zone pressures to help our weaker defenders.
Agree - this group sometimes needs some smoke and mirrors and change ups to steal some possessions. I wish Oats would get a little more creative defensively to try and mask things, but it also could be they just don't trust these guys to do that
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 6:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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1a. Calipari
1b. Pearl
3. Muss
4. Barnes
5a. Oats
5b. Wade
7. Buzz
8. White
9. Stackhouse
10. Frank Martin
11. Howland
12. Cuonzo
13. Kermit
14. Crean
I'd probably have it:
Pearl
Cal
Muss
Barnes
Oats
Buzz
Wade
The same for the rest.
I don’t like Pearl or Muss but respect what they've done. I wouldn't trust Pearl to watch my dog and I think Muss is a drugged crazed lunatic. Cal reminds me alot of Pitino.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I think Pearl is a good coach as well, but I don’t think he’s near Calipari’s level. When you have 2 guys like jabari smith and walker kessler, it hides a loooot of deficiencies.
Calipari, and then a decent gap
Oats/Pearl
Muss
Barnes
Wade
And then who cares
This could all change within 2/3 years, but with all that Calipari’s already done, and now the portal to his avail to get any top player from another school, I don’t see anyone catching Calipari for another few years.
Also, this is strictly my opinion. I understand where yours is coming from 100%. I’m just not as crazy about pearl as everyone else although I will acknowledge he is a good coach
Calipari, and then a decent gap
Oats/Pearl
Muss
Barnes
Wade
And then who cares
This could all change within 2/3 years, but with all that Calipari’s already done, and now the portal to his avail to get any top player from another school, I don’t see anyone catching Calipari for another few years.
Also, this is strictly my opinion. I understand where yours is coming from 100%. I’m just not as crazy about pearl as everyone else although I will acknowledge he is a good coach
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:13 pm to TrojanTide
Yea those are all definitely good points. One thing is for sure, a lot of these guys would be top 3 in the SEC 7 years ago.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:38 pm to DT55Forever1
Only thing I would change about Oats philosophy is I would like for our PGs to be allowed to pull up and pop a midrange shot. I feel like your PG shooting a pull up midrange is still a good shot and would prevent a lot of charges
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:40 pm to TrojanTide
I thinks Cal/Pearl are the clear top 2 coaches. I think Oats and Muss are about even but Muss gets the edge this season
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The problem with the offense aside from turnovers is that we're not fast enough
We don't quickly penetrate with a couple of dribbles then jump stop + pass to an open player nearly enough.
Whenever we do that is when we shred defenses.
We get a lot better 3 ball looks and open driving lanes too. It's playing for the other players instead of being the hero driver.
Like the poster said on the previous page, the drives are too often all or nothing, one on three, to the rim or attempt a highlight assist.
That's fine if it's open but too often the lane's clogged with a help defender + shot blocker waiting + someone ready to intercept that cross court pass to the corner.
When we recognize that, we need to jump stop and just quickly pass to another player. That gets the defense scrambling. You don't get the assist but the next, or even next, guy will.
Oats' system of not having players beat a guy and then put up a 15 foot jumper is great but I guarantee that he's wanting them to pass the ball quickly if the lane is packed instead of plowing in there wildly.
The offense isn't the problem in general and certainly not the system but very often there's not enough quick, crisp movement this year.
We don't quickly penetrate with a couple of dribbles then jump stop + pass to an open player nearly enough.
Whenever we do that is when we shred defenses.
We get a lot better 3 ball looks and open driving lanes too. It's playing for the other players instead of being the hero driver.
Like the poster said on the previous page, the drives are too often all or nothing, one on three, to the rim or attempt a highlight assist.
That's fine if it's open but too often the lane's clogged with a help defender + shot blocker waiting + someone ready to intercept that cross court pass to the corner.
When we recognize that, we need to jump stop and just quickly pass to another player. That gets the defense scrambling. You don't get the assist but the next, or even next, guy will.
Oats' system of not having players beat a guy and then put up a 15 foot jumper is great but I guarantee that he's wanting them to pass the ball quickly if the lane is packed instead of plowing in there wildly.
The offense isn't the problem in general and certainly not the system but very often there's not enough quick, crisp movement this year.
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:55 pm to wm72
SOCON championship going to OT for those interested.
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