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re: ***The Official Who is our Next OC Thread*** Update in OP Jan 4
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:46 pm to Bear88
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:46 pm to Bear88
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TUA was better suited for RPOs and you saw lots of that when he was here but not as much with MAC.
Do you mean read options? There's a misconception that RPOs involve athletic QBs.
I ask because almost 50% of Bama's plays vs Notre Dame were RPOs. Mac threw out of 11 of them.
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Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:50 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Do you mean read options? There's a misconception that RPOs involve athletic QBs.
I ask because almost 50% of Bama's plays vs Notre Dame were RPOs. Mac threw out of 11 of them.
Yea - we still run a lot of RPO stuff. Our RPO game is much more complex in terms of routes and options than it was during the simple RPO year of Locks and Tua. Our RPO game was basically run or slant back then. Our RPOs now are tagged with tons of different options and then tagged with counters off of those options.
Per SECStatCat 16.3% of Mac's throws are off of RPO action - 4th in the SEC behind Franks (34%), Nix (27%) and Corral (18%).
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:58 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Do you mean read options? There's a misconception that RPOs involve athletic QBs.
No. The QBs do not have to keep it to be an RPO. People get confused on RPOs out of shotgun . RPOs are usually quick fakes/gives to back and hitting a slant or bubble screen after faking to back. Just because Mac fakes to Najee and hits Smith 40 yards downfield does not make it an RPO. That is nothing more than play action out of the gun. Lineman going downfield will give away a true RPO as well
Jalen ran some read option (Tua a few times) and a lot of RPOs . Usually athletic QBs run read option.... not MAC
. Nobody will confuse him with Lamar Jackson although I was proud of his “graceful gallops “ the other night This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 1/4/21 at 3:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Mike Shula was the power behind Cam Newton.
Bring him home! He bleeds crimson!
Hell yes, if you make it happen, I’m on board!!
Posted on 1/4/21 at 5:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
My question is does Bill want to get back out on that recruiting trail having to kiss the azz of 16-18 year old kids again. You know Nick is going to require him to burn the midnight oil.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 5:37 pm to PowHound
One of my favorite thing about being an AL fan in this day and age is that I don’t have to worry about things like coaching hires, recruiting, etc. I just trust Saban. Not saying he’s perfect and obviously we’ve had some hires that didn’t work out (and missed on some recruits), but I have complete confidence that Saban is going to make an informed, strategic decision. And that he is making decisions that he believes are in the best interest of the University and the program.
That being said, I would be unhappy with Gase or BOB. I don’t have any faith in either.
That being said, I would be unhappy with Gase or BOB. I don’t have any faith in either.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 6:55 pm to dirtsandwich
Has Sumlin already been mentioned in this thread? He was noted in a random article which I would lend little credibility to and there’s no smoke or signs that he’s a possible candidate, but he would fit the coaching rehab mold Saban has favored recently after burning out at Arizona. I’m not sure I even like the idea, but it was an interesting thought anyway.
He had some good offenses at Houston and ATM, but I don’t know enough about his schemes and trends recently to know if it would be a fit offensively. Granted, whoever gets hired, they’ll be running a version of the offense Saban wants to see, regardless.
He had some good offenses at Houston and ATM, but I don’t know enough about his schemes and trends recently to know if it would be a fit offensively. Granted, whoever gets hired, they’ll be running a version of the offense Saban wants to see, regardless.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 7:46 pm to CaptainMorgan
quote:Once he was figured out, it was a pretty stoppable offense. Manziel was bailed out by big receivers and a great O-line, and their combo air-raid/spread scheme was not very complex.
He had some good offenses at Houston and ATM, but I don’t know enough about his schemes and trends recently to know if it would be a fit offensively.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 7:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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He honestly feels like the guy who fits every one of our previous OC search criteria. Plus he's a Saban guy who he apparently likes a lot.
I would hate this as a Dolphins fan
Posted on 1/4/21 at 8:11 pm to A-TOWNUAFAN
Yea the Gase thing doesn't feel good, I rescind any precious statements that may come across as approval
Posted on 1/4/21 at 8:30 pm to A-TOWNUAFAN
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I would hate this as a Dolphins fan
As would I. By the end of his tenure in Miami, I couldn’t even stand to watch his press conferences. He seemed clueless, the players hated him, and the team regressed while he was there. He ruined Ryan Tannehill, who proved to be a serviceable starter in TN, so I can’t imagine him guiding Bryce into the future. His playing calling or offensive scheme, if you could even call it that, was terrible. Then he moved on to NY and proceded to do the exact same thing to Darnold and the Jets. There’s nothing about Adam Gase that I like as a person or coach. Obviously that’s from the biased perspective of a Dolphins’ fan, but I’ve seen enough of his abilities, or lack thereof, in Miami and NY to know that I wouldn’t want him anywhere near Tuscaloosa.
That being said, if Saban hired him, I’d shut up and see how things went next year. Obviously he has a tremendous amount more knowledge of the situation and circumstances than I do, so I’d trust in his judgement, whoever the hire is, but I’d prefer literally anyone over Gase out of disdain alone.
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 1/4/21 at 8:49 pm to CaptainMorgan
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the players hated him
This is very true and he is a petty bitch
Posted on 1/4/21 at 8:50 pm to A-TOWNUAFAN
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he is a petty bitch
That too. Especially the petty part. And the bitch part.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 9:12 pm to CaptainMorgan
I know this isn't focused on the future OC, but I wonder if Saban will make a push to keep Holmon Wiggins. I think he made somewhere around 500k last year. Not sure what position Sark is offering him at Texas if the rumors are true.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 5:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
They used to call those hot routs.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 10:04 am to CaptainMorgan
I haven't seen or checked all the names, but here's sort of a summary of what has been said about possible names on the various 'OC' related threads.
*Some positive vibes from posters here:
1. Joe Brady: popular choice, but zero chance.
2. Tom Herman: was good at Ohio State, but strictly a HC person now and tuned out a lot of people at Texas. Lots of support though on this board.
3. Bill O'Brien: lots of support here, but doubt about his willingness to recruit, that he's a jerk and that his OC days are long behind him.
4. Jeff Lebby: have not heard what people have against him. Seems a popular choice on this board.
5. Tom Clements: NFL guy, Saban tried to hire him a couple of times, some people here like him.
6. Jason Garrett: some like him here, some doubt his decision making, clock management at Dallas.
7. Mike Shula: seems a popular choice here.
8. Kevin Wilson: well liked here, but why would he move from OSU to the same position at UA?
9. Hugh Freeze: popular for some, but has a pretty good situation at Liberty. Some are worried about the SEC/Sankey being against it.
10. Phil Longo: app. a disaster at Ole Miss, but has support here as well.
*Names with little or no traction on this board:
-Brian Johnson: because Mullen calls the offensive plays Johnson is an unknown.
-Mark Helfrich: no talk about him really on this board.
-Josh McDaniels: was mentioned, but without explaining why he would make the move from the Pats OC job to Bama...
-Adam Gase: a jerk, supposedly.
-Shane Day: no traction here.
-Chip Long: not a word about him on this board.
-Major Applewhite: not good enough, never was.
-Jim McElwain: outdated.
-Dan Enos: not good enough and no way.
-Kevin Sumlin: outdated, plus never good enough.
-Art Briles: absolute no-go after what he allowed to happen at Baylor.
-Josh Gattis: great recruiter, but no success as Michigan's OC.
-Billy Napier: is a HC and will remain a HC.
-Pat Fitzgerald: ditto.
*Other names mentioned here:
-Sean Lewis: hardly a word about him. Has little OC exp and is already a HC.
-Kalen DeBoer (love his name, but I'm a Dutchie): was mentioned here, but he's also a HC.
-Luke Getsy: QB coach and passing game coordinator for the Packers.
-Pep Hamilton: ditto for LA Chargers.
-Mike Kafka: same but for the Kansas City Chiefs. Seemingly aready in NFL OC discussion, though.
Many think that Saban will go for an NFL guy. When he hired Daboll the process took some time.
*Some positive vibes from posters here:
1. Joe Brady: popular choice, but zero chance.
2. Tom Herman: was good at Ohio State, but strictly a HC person now and tuned out a lot of people at Texas. Lots of support though on this board.
3. Bill O'Brien: lots of support here, but doubt about his willingness to recruit, that he's a jerk and that his OC days are long behind him.
4. Jeff Lebby: have not heard what people have against him. Seems a popular choice on this board.
5. Tom Clements: NFL guy, Saban tried to hire him a couple of times, some people here like him.
6. Jason Garrett: some like him here, some doubt his decision making, clock management at Dallas.
7. Mike Shula: seems a popular choice here.
8. Kevin Wilson: well liked here, but why would he move from OSU to the same position at UA?
9. Hugh Freeze: popular for some, but has a pretty good situation at Liberty. Some are worried about the SEC/Sankey being against it.
10. Phil Longo: app. a disaster at Ole Miss, but has support here as well.
*Names with little or no traction on this board:
-Brian Johnson: because Mullen calls the offensive plays Johnson is an unknown.
-Mark Helfrich: no talk about him really on this board.
-Josh McDaniels: was mentioned, but without explaining why he would make the move from the Pats OC job to Bama...
-Adam Gase: a jerk, supposedly.
-Shane Day: no traction here.
-Chip Long: not a word about him on this board.
-Major Applewhite: not good enough, never was.
-Jim McElwain: outdated.
-Dan Enos: not good enough and no way.
-Kevin Sumlin: outdated, plus never good enough.
-Art Briles: absolute no-go after what he allowed to happen at Baylor.
-Josh Gattis: great recruiter, but no success as Michigan's OC.
-Billy Napier: is a HC and will remain a HC.
-Pat Fitzgerald: ditto.
*Other names mentioned here:
-Sean Lewis: hardly a word about him. Has little OC exp and is already a HC.
-Kalen DeBoer (love his name, but I'm a Dutchie): was mentioned here, but he's also a HC.
-Luke Getsy: QB coach and passing game coordinator for the Packers.
-Pep Hamilton: ditto for LA Chargers.
-Mike Kafka: same but for the Kansas City Chiefs. Seemingly aready in NFL OC discussion, though.
Many think that Saban will go for an NFL guy. When he hired Daboll the process took some time.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 10:05 am
Posted on 1/5/21 at 10:54 am to RollTideNL
That’s quite a list! Thanks for the summary.
I have absolutely no inside information, but I think you’re right about Saban. If he’s going the NFL route, it could be quite a while before we hear anything. There are 6 HC openings and 7 GM openings on the NFL right now. That’s a lot of dominos to fall and a lot of positions to fill, including coordinators and position coaches, before getting someone to “settle” for a college OC position.
I have absolutely no inside information, but I think you’re right about Saban. If he’s going the NFL route, it could be quite a while before we hear anything. There are 6 HC openings and 7 GM openings on the NFL right now. That’s a lot of dominos to fall and a lot of positions to fill, including coordinators and position coaches, before getting someone to “settle” for a college OC position.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:05 am to CaptainMorgan
When he hired Daboll the process took some time.
i disagree with this. daboll was ready to go, but he had to compensate for hurts. we really only seen one half of what a daboll offense could be, when tua played the second half.
i disagree with this. daboll was ready to go, but he had to compensate for hurts. we really only seen one half of what a daboll offense could be, when tua played the second half.
Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:08 am to crimsontater
Think he is referring to the hiring process ... not his offense
Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:53 am to Bear88
That's correct. Daboll was announced as the new OC on the 17th of February.
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