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re: The new Alabama abortion law, like it or no?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:47 am to prevatt33
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:47 am to prevatt33
Absurdity? Really?
How many dead babies would you say were needed for that statement not to be absurd if 60,000,000+ killed for convenience already in the USA is not enough?
Think about that number. 15% + of the US population has been killed because it was more convenient for the moms. That is a significant stack of cord wood.
How many dead babies would you say were needed for that statement not to be absurd if 60,000,000+ killed for convenience already in the USA is not enough?
Think about that number. 15% + of the US population has been killed because it was more convenient for the moms. That is a significant stack of cord wood.
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:59 am to Tw1st3d
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15% + of the US population has been killed because it was more convenient
Lets put that in other terms. Would you have an issue if a decision were made to kill every black person in the US because it would be convenient? That segment of the US population is a smaller number than the segment that has been aborted.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:06 am to Tw1st3d
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60,000,000+ killed for convenience
Please provide link and not a propaganda link that is biased either
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 10:08 am
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:10 am to Tw1st3d
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Would you have an issue if a decision were made to kill every black person in the US because it would be convenient?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:13 am to LovetheLord
Just so we are clear, you think someone will go to hell because they interpret a ~2000 year old book that wasn't translated into English until it had already passed through multiple other languages in a somewhat different manner than you do?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:44 am to TideWarrior
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The Consequences of Roe v. Wade
60,942,033
Total abortions since 1973
Based on numbers reported by the Guttmacher Institute 1973-2014,
w/ projections of 906,308 for 2015-18, based on -2.05% drop seen by CDC from 2014 -15.
GI has estimated possible undercounts of 3-5%,
so an additional 3% is factored into the overall total. 1/19
That number does not include any abortions prior to 1973. It does not include any numbers or projections for 2019.
Guttmacher Institute
The leading organization committed to advancing sexual and reproductive health and rights.
Guttmacher Institute is the research arm of Planned Parenthood
LINK
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:50 am to Tw1st3d
That's a pretty good advertisement for keeping abortion safe and legal.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:04 am to CrimsonFever
I think it is more or less political grandstanding. Personally, I think when the health of either mother or child is at risk, then it should be legal.
The problem I see with including rape or incest is that often times there are false accusations that get thrown around and innocent people go to prison and in this case, not only an innocent person going to prison but an innocent life is put to death.
The problem I see with including rape or incest is that often times there are false accusations that get thrown around and innocent people go to prison and in this case, not only an innocent person going to prison but an innocent life is put to death.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:11 am to Tw1st3d
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60,000,000
I gotta be honest, I haven't missed them. Just like I haven't missed any of the other trillions of potential humans that never get made every year.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:12 am to Tw1st3d
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That number does not include any abortions prior to 1973. It does not include any numbers or projections for 2019.
No where does that support your statement. I know 60m plus but I want to see a link that says 60m women out of convenience unless you are saying when a women gets raped or a child raped or impregnated through incest is convenience. Or medical issue that could calm harm to the mother. Your statement was they were all out of convenience.
And to add to that before you use the 1.5% it is out there that many that fall into this category of victim do not report it.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 11:18 am
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:23 am to Tw1st3d
So based on this infographic, 15% of abortions are obtained by married women, 60% by women who already have a child, and 50% by women in their mid 20s or older. Does this not make the wheels turn in your head and force you to arrive at the conclusion that everyone's situation is different, life is complicated, and women obtain abortions for a wide variety of reasons, many of which likely have little to do with convenience?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:27 am to Robot Santa
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Just so we are clear, you think someone will go to hell because they interpret a ~2000 year old book that wasn't translated into English until it had already passed through multiple other languages in a somewhat different manner than you do?
No, sir. I believe that they will go to hell because they are unrepentant rebels against the God of the universe.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:37 am to TideWarrior
Estimate / research numbers say that 3,000,000 of the 60,000,000 are based on rape/incest/child health issues/mom health issues. That still leaves 57,000,000 that are a choice of convenience. add to that the ones prior to 1973 and after 2018 and you are right back to 60 million.
The point is not an exact number count but the fact that "about" 60 million children have been murdered for convenience and "about" half of the US population think that is acceptable. I am not one who thinks it is acceptable.
Convenience Murder of unborn children will not be stopped unless the weakness in the Roe vs Wade ruling is challenged. The Alabama law takes that weakness on in an effort to create a change. I will not argue with you on the 3 million "necessary" make it acceptable to kill 57~60 million that are murdered out of convenience. It is not acceptable to kill the innocent and defenseless, be that number 10 or 60,000,000.
The point is not an exact number count but the fact that "about" 60 million children have been murdered for convenience and "about" half of the US population think that is acceptable. I am not one who thinks it is acceptable.
Convenience Murder of unborn children will not be stopped unless the weakness in the Roe vs Wade ruling is challenged. The Alabama law takes that weakness on in an effort to create a change. I will not argue with you on the 3 million "necessary" make it acceptable to kill 57~60 million that are murdered out of convenience. It is not acceptable to kill the innocent and defenseless, be that number 10 or 60,000,000.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:55 am to Robot Santa
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to do with convenience
I am not married, a child would not be convenient - kill it
I can't afford to have a child, it is not financially convenient - kill it
I am in school, A child would be inconvenient - kill it
I do not have time to take care of a child, it is not convenient for my schedule - kill it
I do not want "fill in the blank" to know I got pregnant, that would not be convenient - kill it
I can't take the time off from work, that would not be convenient - kill it
I did not want to have a baby, I just want to have fun, a child would get in the way of me having fun - kill it
Fill in any other "excuse", the child would not be convenient - kill it
Those choices for convenience have been made about 60 million times in the US - those numbers are not convenient. People look for any excuse they can grab to make abortion acceptable so they do not have to deal with the fact they chose to murder an innocent to make life more convenient.
Based on that approach, a man gets divorced and it would not be convenient to pay child support. Why not legalize the killing of the ex-wife and the children that require support? Would that not be convenient? What is the difference between killing an ex-wife, killing the children, or killing an unborn child?
The difference is what constitutes life and what give you the right to take that life? The Alabama law is an effort to force a definition of when life begins.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:20 pm to LovetheLord
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The new Alabama abortion law, like it or no?
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God said TO JOB. TO JOB. NOT TO ANYONE ELSE. THIS VERSE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN CONCEPTION AT ALL. IT"S ABOUT GOD'S ABILITY TO SEE THE FUTURE.
Dude, this is patently ridiculous.
Psalm 139 - 13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. 16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
Job 31:15 “Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form both of us within our mothers?”
Psalm 22:10. “From my mother’s womb you have been my God”.
Isaiah 44:24
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Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,
Genesis 9:6
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From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man. 6“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
I don’t know what your motivations are for misrepresenting the Word of God, but He will not hold blameless those who blaspheme and mock His Word.
In all seriousness, friend, repent of this wickedness. God is a consuming fire (Hebrews 12:29) and It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:31).
Congrats, you linked a number of verses about wombs. It still doesn't mean that life begins at conception. The most you could possibly take from it is that life begins "in the womb", which is a period of 40 weeks. Take care.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:29 pm to Tw1st3d
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How many dead babies would you say were needed for that statement not to be absurd if 60,000,000+ killed for convenience already in the USA is not enough?
They are not dead babies. A certain percentage were fetuses, most of which you wouldn't even recognize as human if you saw it, and another percentage were tiny balls of cells. "Baby" is the word for a human after birth, i.e. after sufficient development that it is expelled by the mother's body, and it encompasses the words newborn, infant, and toddler.
It is absurd that you refer to a tiny creature about the size and shape of a seahorse as a "dead baby". It is also absurd that you reference the number being so high, that they'd be "stacked like cordwood."
Also, you were not there to know that 60,000,000 (or whatever correct or incorrect number you used) fetuses or balls of cells were terminated due to "convenience". That is simply the number of abortions performed, and you know nothing about the reasons why for each one.
You took a discussion to an absurd place, then criticized the result. It's textbook reductio ad absurdum.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:34 pm to Tw1st3d
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How many dead babies would you say were needed for that statement not to be absurd if 60,000,000+ killed for convenience already in the USA is not enough?
Also, and this is very important - none of these were my fricking babies, fetuses, or balls of cells. They were someone else's and I believe that humans should not be going around telling each other how to live all the damn time. How about mind your damn business?
Also, this Christian "save the babies, fetuses, balls of cells" rhetoric is hollow. If you want to help someone, volunteer at shelters, help the homeless, help the less fortunate, etc. Anyone who is passionately against abortion for Bible reasons but isn't spending nearly every waking moment helping HUMANS IN NEED is a hypocritical a-hole.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:37 pm to LovetheLord
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No, sir. I believe that they will go to hell because they are unrepentant rebels against the God of the universe.
Let's be clear about Hell. The Bible states that the only unforgivable sin is apostasy, which is denying the existence of God or rejecting him outright as God. I have never done that and will never do that. The Bible goes on to say that Jesus' blood covers all sin - past, present, and future. And so you might want to watch out with all the judging of other folks and the destination of their spirit after death, but you probably won't listen. You rarely do.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:38 pm to prevatt33
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Also, this Christian "saved the babies, fetuses, balls of cells" rhetoric is hollow. If you want to help someone, volunteer at shelters, help the homeless, help the less fortunate, etc. Anyone who is passionately against abortion for Bible reasons but isn't spending nearly every waking moment helping HUMANS IN NEED is a hypocritical a-hole.
You should start posting on the Political Board. You would be a big hit over there.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:39 pm to 14&Counting
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You should start posting on the Political Board. You would be a big hit over there.
frick no. I hate politics. Hell, I hate this damn thread.
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