re: The new Alabama abortion law, like it or no?

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With every abortion procedure there's a passing of the embryo/fetus/baby/whatever you want to call it. To call it a birthing process is a stretch. It's not a birthing process when a woman is on her period and passes the unfertilized egg in her menstrual discharge.

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So basically not even CLOSE to going through the normal birthing process..?

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I hear ya. I struggle with that question as well. I'm fairly pro-choice, but also think the old British Common Law had it mostly right. Abortion was legal up until the quickening - when the mother could feel the fetus's movements. One big problem with that is that moment is different for every woman. The general timeline for that is 2-3 months, so I think abortions after the first trimester should be reserved for extreme cases where there are concerns over the mother's health or the viability of the baby outside the womb.

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I consider myself very pro life and really can't find anything objectionable about anything you just wrote.

So we just solved the abortion debate.

Seriously, I bet if you put it to a referendum, you would see this position supported by 80% or more of the nation. You can accomplish a lot when you sit down and talk like adults. Unfortunately, the leadership of both parties prefer to pander to their extreme bases than engage in actual constructive dialog.

I saw above where you claimed to be a Christian for 3 decades. Then I see what followed after that. Either you are, as you once wanted to label me, a fake Christian, or you are... nah, even mentally weak people understand God’s Word better than that. You’re a fake Christian.

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I saw above where you claimed to be a Christian for 3 decades. Then I see what followed after that. Either you are, as you once wanted to label me, a fake Christian, or you are... nah, even mentally weak people understand God’s Word better than that. You’re a fake Christian.

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And let's be clear on the topic of scripture. In order to truly understand it, one must read the Bible with the help of at minimum 1) a Strong's (or similar) concordance in order to take the English back to the original Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic; and 2) a plethora of history books on life at the time - history books spanning thousands of years. Context is not only important to understanding the Bible, it's crucial.

Regarding my point number 1 (the necessity of a concordance to get back to the original vocabulary):

We've always read "Thou shalt not kill." and most folks have accepted it as God's infallible word. Well, it's wrong. The original text stated the equivalent word for "murder", meaning non-justifiable homicide. If it was kill, then Old Testament Jews could not have had capital punishment for any crime. Hell, they couldn't have crucified Jesus...cause you can't kill anybody, right?

Another example is the famous, "Seek and yee shall find. Knock and the door will be open to you." God's infallible word, right? Well, it's incorrect. The original text uses a continuous verb tense. The correct translation is, "Continue to seek, and yee shall find. Continue to knock, and the door will be open to you." The original scripture was emphasizing the necessity of living every day in a Godly way, not just sprinkling it in sometimes. You can't expect God to answer whichever prayer you sporadically throw up cause life is tough - you gotta live it continuously.

But without taking it to the original text, you can be very wrong about scripture.

Referencing my second point about historical context:

Most folks reference the New Testament scripture where Paul wrote, "Women should not be heard in church." as a proof that women cannot be pastors. Well, that's not what he was saying at all. At the time (and now in many Synagogues) men and women sat separately in church. Today, it's usually seperated by left and right sides of the church, but at the time Paul wrote those words, the men sat in the front and the women in the back. Well, the church had written to Paul to ask what to do about the noisy women in the back, as women get talky and therefore noisy when they sit together. And Paul wrote back for them to be quiet so as not to disrupt the church services. It was in no way, shape, or form a prohibition of women being pastors, and anyone who's studied the New Testament will know factually that many women held leadership positions in the early Christian church, and it could be easily argued that the early church would not have survived without these women.

But you gotta have a penis to be a pastor, right? 'Cause Bible? Naw, it doesn't say that.

Context matters, cuz.

And so, while I'm a deeply flawed man who's saved solely by God's grace alone, I know what the Good Book says. Do you?

I read somewhere how Colorado has seen a 50%+ decrease in teen pregnancies due to spending on contraceptives (privately-funded).

My mom had my 13 year old sister (at the time) watch a film of a teen girl giving birth. Sis didn't have her first and only child until her early 30s.

As a pre-teen, I knew more about STDs and unwanted pregnancies than I cared to.

The worst thing about the legislation is that it while it outlawed most abortions, it didn’t include fake field goals where Mac Jones is the primary ball carrier.

That's like saying you cant stop murder, so dont legislate.

You cant stop any crime, so dont legislate.

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it is a tough thing to legislate.



How about don't?

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But of course abortion is going to be legislated.

For the record, I think, as it reads, the law is too restrictive.