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re: Saban's defense is too complex.

Posted on 12/8/19 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by bamagreycoat
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 12:00 pm to
I agree with some of your assessment OP and that’s why I gnashed my teeth when the news flashed across the bottom of my tv that we lost Dylan Moses for the entire season. I knew that with Saban’s riddle inside an enigma defense we were screwed without Dylan getting young guys in position. But that complicated Saban defense also put 5 National Championship trophies in the Bryant Museum so I’m conflicted.
Posted by YStar
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 12:01 pm to
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You people are so reactionary.


Wrong.

I have complained for years about how our defense is to complex. It's too slow to call and organize and it takes too long for kids to pick up so we don't get to see them play full speed till theh are late sophomores or juniors so we only enjoy them playing at their best for a season and a half.


I have complained about this consistently.
This post was edited on 12/8/19 at 12:03 pm
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
2804 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 2:08 pm to
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To call Saban a better recruiter than gameday coach is not an insult, it's a fact. To suggest he was on par with the way coach Bryant could scheme a team is a blasphemy.

I loved the Bear...but you’re looking back with rose colored glasses. Bama under the Bear also coached with elite talent and more often than not had better players than his opponent. As for scheming, he didn’t out-scheme the ‘71 Nebraska team...nor any of the Notre Dame or Texas teams Bama played back then. Would Bear have made the gameday decision to onside kick in the 4th quarter of a tie game in the national championship? I don’t think he would have. Would he have substituted a true freshman QB for a player of the year QB at halftime of a national championship game? I can say emphatically that he would not have.

Saban also has a better record in the postseason/bowl games and had his teams better prepared. In an 8-year stretch, from ‘68 to ‘75 under Bear Bryant, Bama went winless in bowl games, losing 7 and tying 1. Can you imagine the uproar of our fanbase if that occurred during this era?

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Coach Pruitt was simplifying the defensive scheme to the likes of Jonathan Allen, Ryan Anderson, Reuben Foster, Dion-Hamilton and such and some came out during the season and praised Pruitt's "simplified" approach and thanked him for "helping them out."

And our D still got torched by Chad Kelly and Deshaun Watson during the ‘16 season and whupped in Jordan-Hare in ‘17...

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That was coming from seasoned juniors and seniors.

Which we had a huge deficit in this year...with seasoned juniors and seniors, which Pruitt had a multitude of when he was DC, our defense has been better...
This post was edited on 12/8/19 at 2:21 pm
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:27 am to
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I loved the Bear...but you’re looking back with rose colored glasses. Bama under the Bear also coached with elite talent and more often than not had better players than his opponent. As for scheming, he didn’t out-scheme the ‘71 Nebraska team...nor any of the Notre Dame or Texas teams Bama played back then. Would Bear have made the gameday decision to onside kick in the 4th quarter of a tie game in the national championship? I don’t think he would have. Would he have substituted a true freshman QB for a player of the year QB at halftime of a national championship game? I can say emphatically that he would not have.



In 1971, that was the 1st year of the wishbone era. Nebraska had a historic team with Johnny Rogers, also the Heisman winner. There happened to be 2 great teams that season and Nebraska had just beaten the other in a game of the century against a Jack Mildred/Greg Pruitt led Oklahoma team. Dude, no one was beating that Cornhusker team, no one.

And this coach Bryant and talent thing is utterly ridiculous. In 1971 we had just opened the door to black players in our state. Wilbur Jackson and Robin Parkhouse and just a few others just got on the field. Now, think about what you are saying?

Until 1971 coach Bryant was NOT allowed to recruit the best talent in the state of Alabama and the nation until 1970. He won 3 national championships with a bunch of corn fed white country boys who believed everything coach Bryant said about them. How did coach Bryant have the talent advantage when the best athletes (African American) weren't allowed to play for this school until 1971?

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Saban also has a better record in the postseason/bowl games and had his teams better prepared. In an 8-year stretch, from ‘68 to ‘75 under Bear Bryant, Bama went winless in bowl games, losing 7 and tying 1. Can you imagine the uproar of our fanbase if that occurred during this era?



Coach Saban had the BCS and playoffs to properly motivate his team in the postseason. How has coach Saban done at Alabama when the players knew it was just a cute bowl for fans and players alike? You know, like the beauty contest. Which is exactly what coach Bryant was dealing with a lot of the time. Let's see, beat Colorado in the Weedeater bowl in Shreveport in 2007. Lost to mighty midtier Utah in the Sugarbowl in 2008. beat Michigan State in the Citrus in 2010. Got taken to the woodshed by Oklahoma in 2013 in the Sugarbowl again.

Comparing bowl games in the beauty contest era of college football and actually having a chance to play in a real playoff game as an incentive is apples to oranges and you know it, provided you didn't just get out of high school.

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And our D still got torched by Chad Kelly and Deshaun Watson during the ‘16 season and whupped in Jordan-Hare in ‘17...



No one said stopping the spread offense is easy under the best of circumstances against elite offenses. The same occurred with Johnny Football in 2013 in College Station. Is that suppose to somehow equal the poor tackling, misaligned players we watched against OM, SC, ATM, LSU and the barn we watched this season with Golding?

In the 2017 barner game we lost because Jalen Hurts couldn't execute what was there. The same issue he had vs Georgia, but you knew that. Neither game was a defensive issue.

Dude, in the 2016 NC game vs Clemson game we punted the ball 10 times. The most by far all season. We couldn't get our offense to execute a 3rd down. Bama's defense had the lead 24-14 going into the 4th quarter. Our offense under Jalen Hurts and Sark cost us the national title because we couldn't get our defense off the field. It still took play #99 and an illegal pick to get past our slap wore out defense.


Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30599 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:10 am to
Jim Haslett told me last year that any defensive player coming into the NFL from an Alabama/Saban coached team was way ahead of nearly all the other guys, and it was a known fact among NFL people....probably why the % of players drafted in the 1st round is so high.
He used Reuben Foster as an example. He said the kid wasn't very bright, but knew how to call defensive formations under different offensive sets like a seasoned veteran.
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
2804 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 11:59 am to
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Coach Saban had the BCS and playoffs to properly motivate his team in the postseason. How has coach Saban done at Alabama when the players knew it was just a cute bowl for fans and players alike? You know, like the beauty contest. Which is exactly what coach Bryant was dealing with a lot of the time.

So you're saying Nick Saban had Bama in position to play more meaningful postseason games? Then yes, I agree...

Three of those bowl games during Bama's 8 year bowl drought were for national championships. If we win in '71 (#1 vs #2), '73 (#1 vs #3), and/or '74 (#1/#2 vs #9), we're outright champions or we least get at least a share in '74. In '72, we had a remote shot at #1 playing Texas in the Cotton Bowl and lost. I would think the players would think those four games were important enough so I doubt motivation was a factor in any of them...

Granted, that '71 Nebraska team was one of the best teams I've ever seen (the game of the century against Oklahoma was one of the best games I've ever seen as well). But being ranked #2 and having a month to prepare, I would've thought we could've done better than getting drubbed 38-6; we were never in that game from the start. Saban got skewered by our fans for losing to Clemson 44-16 last year; everyone was saying we were outcoached and not ready so I don't think it's a stretch to say the Bear was outcoached and ill-prepared in that game...

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And this coach Bryant and talent thing is utterly ridiculous. In 1971 we had just opened the door to black players in our state. Wilbur Jackson and Robin Parkhouse and just a few others just got on the field. He won 3 national championships with a bunch of corn fed white country boys who believed everything coach Bryant said about them. How did coach Bryant have the talent advantage when the best athletes (African American) weren't allowed to play for this school until 1971?

You think Alabama was the only all-white team winning championships in the '60's? Daryl Royal and Texas won two national championships ('63 & '69) during the sixties with all-white teams and they were considered very talented as well; they didn't integrate till 1970. FWAA declared Arkansas as their national champion in '64 and they were all-white.

Most of the integrated national champions had an overwhelming majority of white players as well. Minnesota in '60 and USC in '62 had 4 or 5 African-American players. Notre Dame's '66 team had one African-American starter (Alan Page) while USC's OJ Simpson team had five or six African-Americans in '67. From what I can tell, the only national championship teams during the '60's that had 10+ African-American players were '65/'66 Michigan State and '68 Ohio State. Point being, integration was a slow process and Division I college football teams were predominantly white in the sixties. Only in the early seventies did you really begin to see that change for the better.

This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 2:33 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:45 pm to
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Coach Pruitt was simplifying the defensive scheme to the likes of Jonathan Allen, Ryan Anderson, Reuben Foster, Dion-Hamilton and such and some came out during the season and praised Pruitt's "simplified" approach and thanked him for "helping them out."

That was coming from seasoned juniors and seniors.

Like Pruitt, Glenn Schuman is also excellent at teaching Saban's defense in a simplied manner that the players (especially LBs) can learn and execute faster/better.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 12:48 pm
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 4:24 pm to
There's more parity now than when Bryant coached...

It's like arguing Babe Ruth would be better than Mike Trout in current baseball.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 4:25 pm
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 4:24 pm to
Again, Coach Bryant dominated college football for more than 2 decades. He won the SEC... at Kentucky.

He won 6 NCs in an era when it was much harder to do- especially for a southern team- and was screwed out of at least 2 more that should have been his.

Saban has won 6 championships under a pretty objective system. Win the SEC or go 11-1 in the SEC and either make one of the first two spots (BCS) or make the CFP and have a 1/4 shot at winning it all.

Coach Bryant won under a VERY subjective system where he was at the mercy of sportswriters’ opinions, whims, biases, etc. Many of them didn’t like the state, so they didn’t vote for the football team.

If Saban was still coaching under the system Coach Bryant did, Saban has *at least* 2 less NCs. In 2003, the AP voted USC #1. The Coaches Poll was bound to abide by the BCS, but even they had 3 defectors.

In 2012, Alabama finished 12-1 heading to the BCSCG. Notre Dame finished 12-0.

Under the old system, Bama would have went to the Sugar Bowl and finished 13-1. Notre Dane would have went to the Rose Bowl or somewhere and played a Pac12 team and finished 13-0 and would have been crowned #1 by both the AP and Coaches Polls.

Also, I know about the bowl games under Coach Bryant. Bowl games were approached much differently than they are, today- at least the ones that were played after final rankings and the ones that weren’t 1v2.

Again, Saban may get there one day- and one day, soon. I hope he does. In my estimation he’s a very close #2, but he’s not #1 yet.

Oh, and Coach Bryant also never got out coached by the 3 biggest clowns in college football in one calendar year. So, there’s that.

Coach Bryant is still the greatest that ever walked a sideline. That may get me downvoted from the little tykes on the forum, but I’m good with that. I know what I know.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 4:47 pm
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
1775 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 4:28 pm to
>Oh, and Coach Bryant also never got out coached by the 3 biggest clowns in college football in one calendar year. So, there’s that.

Are you even aware of Bryants record?... He went 6-5 back to back in 69-70...
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 4:29 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65051 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 4:52 pm to
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Again, Coach Bryant dominated college football for more than 2 decades.



He still had his bad games. We got blown out in multiple games during his tenure. In the late-60s we lost to Missouri 35-10 and Auburn 49-26. You also had that '70 USC game where they ran all over us to the tune of 42-21 to say nothing of the '72 Orange Bowl against Nebraska. Also in 1970, we got blown out by Ole Miss of all teams by a score of 48-23. Tennessee shut us out 24-0 that same year. In 1976, we lost to Georgia 21-0.

Bryant got outcoached and blown out in his fair share of football games.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 4:55 pm
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 12/10/19 at 5:25 am to
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There's more parity now than when Bryant coached...

It's like arguing Babe Ruth would be better than Mike Trout in current baseball.




But not for Bama. Leading the country for 5* and having the #1 recruiting class almost every single year since 2008, has given Alabama the decided advantage every year since Saban arrived. How in the world does Georgia stay as highly ranked as they did this season with the way they performed on the field? The voters know where the talent is and they assume the rest. Ranked number 5 now and they played much worse than Alabama but look at the respect they are getting.

Today's college football is too top-heavy to chase the same top 5 or 6 teams away from the NC game every single year. That parity and the fact that the elite talent is filtering into only a few teams allows the greenest novice to predict with accuracy who will make the playoffs regularly.

Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 12/10/19 at 6:14 am to
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So you're saying Nick Saban had Bama in position to play more meaningful postseason games? Then yes, I agree


Yes, I'm saying coach Saban is playing more meaningful games and so is college football. So much so that you can clearly see everyone's approach to the bowl season these days. Having to live through the bowl era, with their conference and bowl tie ins robbed fans and players of the opportunity to prove on the field who was best. In 1979, Bama vs Penn State, it was only one of a very few times that #1 and #2 actually played each other in a bowl. That was a travesty and made every postseason game a beauty contest.

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Three of those bowl games during Bama's 8 year bowl drought were for national championships. If we win in '71 (#1 vs #2), '73 (#1 vs #3), and/or '74 (#1/#2 vs #9), we're outright champions or we least get at least a share in '74. In '72, we had a remote shot at #1 playing Texas in the Cotton Bowl and lost. I would think the players would think those four games were important enough so I doubt motivation was a factor in any of them...



Getting into a peeing contest about individual games is ridiculous. Coach Bryant won, everywhere he went. Coached much longer than Saban and in an era that only made it near impossible to "prove" the better team most of the time.

But within that archaic system, Coach Bryant won a conference title at ATM, Kentucky and if you take a stroll through the Wildcats athletic department you will see they also claim with great pride the 1950 NC under coach Bryant. His conference titles, NCs and, at one-time, all-time wins are the most accurate and honest thing anyone can say about this man's coaching career.

Coach Saban never had a back to back 10 win season in his coaching career until he got to Alabama. It was Alabama that turned coach Saban into the perfect storm.

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Granted, that '71 Nebraska team was one of the best teams I've ever seen (the game of the century against Oklahoma was one of the best games I've ever seen as well). But being ranked #2 and having a month to prepare, I would've thought we could've done better than getting drubbed 38-6; we were never in that game from the start. Saban got skewered by our fans for losing to Clemson 44-16 last year; everyone was saying we were outcoached and not ready so I don't think it's a stretch to say the Bear was outcoached and ill-prepared in that game.



The 1971 Alabama team was only one year removed from Scott Hunters 6-5 team and 3 years of barely .500 football. Those teams were void of talent. How in the world did Alabama have the talent to go head to head with Bob Devany's best Nebraska team the next season? Comparing the 71 teams, talent-wise, is no comparison to the talent Bama put on the field vs Clemson. Your history lesson is being intellectually dishonest.

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Most of the integrated national champions had an overwhelming majority of white players as well. Minnesota in '60 and USC in '62 had 4 or 5 African-American players. Notre Dame's '66 team had one African-American starter (Alan Page) while USC's OJ Simpson team had five or six African-Americans in '67. From what I can tell, the only national championship teams during the '60's that had 10+ African-American players were '65/'66 Michigan State and '68 Ohio State. Point being, integration was a slow process and Division I college football teams were predominantly white in the sixties. Only in the early seventies did you really begin to see that change for the better.


Really? Makes you wonder just where Jim Brown, Mike Garrett, Bubba Smith, Gale Sayers, etc., were playing football before they got to the NFL? How many Jim Browns does it take to get to the promised land?
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:53 am to
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The man has won 5 natty’s in the last 12 years but yes he needs to change the way he does things...
And during part of this time defenses had time to see what the offense was lined up and and completely change what they were doing. And even then his defenses were considered very complex and difficult for many to understand early in their careers.

Now offenses run 100 mph.

A change might be needed.
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
2804 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:57 am to
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If Saban was still coaching under the system Coach Bryant did, Saban has *at least* 2 less NCs. In 2003, the AP voted USC #1. The Coaches Poll was bound to abide by the BCS, but even they had 3 defectors.

That knife cuts both ways. If Bryant was coaching under the system Saban has, you can knock off the '64 and '73 championships (they lost their bowl game both of those years)...and perhaps '65 and '78 as well. They were #4 going into the bowls in '65 and would've finished outside the BCS and possibly outside the CFP; in '78, under the BCS, USC and Penn State would've been the likely championship game matchup.

Saban only has one shared national championship ('03) whereas Bryant had three ('65, '73, '78). Only once did Bryant win a championship where he faced the #1 or #2 team in a bowl game ('78). Saban played more ranked teams in 15 less years than the Bear and had a better winning % in those games.

Look at the comparison that SI did earlier this year ( LINK):

Nick Saban vs. Paul W. “Bear” Bryant
(For consistency reasons, statistics through 2018 season)

Category, Saban; Bryant

Seasons 23; 38

Consensus national titles 6; 5 (Alabama claims 1973 for finishing first in the pre-bowl coaches’ poll, but Notre Dame is considered the consensus champion)

Top five finishes 9; 13

Top 25 finishes 16; 29

Overall record 232–62–1*; 323-85-17
Percentage 78.5; 78.0

Losing seasons 0; 1

Bowl record/CFP record 14-10; 15-12-2

Percentage 58.3; 55.2

Conference titles 9; 15

Conference record 138-42-1; 177-57-10

Consensus All-Americans 41; 23

First-round draft picks 34; 18

Record against ranked teams 82-40; 63-43-5
Percentage 67.20; 59.73

Record against Top 10 teams 42-21; 33-23-1
Percentage 66.77; 58.77

Ratios/percentages
National title seasons One every 3.8 seasons; 7.6

Consensus All-Americans (through 2013) 1.78 every season; 0.61

First-round draft picks (through 2013 draft) 1.48 every season; 0.47

Average wins vs. ranked teams 3.57 each season; 1.71

Wins over top-10 teams per year 1.82 every season; 0.87

I love Bear Bryant; I grew up watching Bama games in the 60's and 70's. He'll always be a more iconic and beloved coach at Bama than Saban and rightfully so; Bear was much more personable and approachable than Saban. Bear's probably the only coach in history that led a team through two different and distinct 'dynasties' in two different decades. But Saban coached in an era of scholarship restrictions, he was the first to win natties at two different schools, and he accomplished something no coach in the poll era of college football has ever done by winning 5 championships in 9 years. While he'll never be the icon that the Bear was/is, he'll be considered by most as the GOAT...

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Under the old system, Bama would have went to the Sugar Bowl and finished 13-1. Notre Dame would have went to the Rose Bowl or somewhere and played a Pac12 team and finished 13-0 and would have been crowned #1 by both the AP and Coaches Polls.

Under the old system, Notre Dame couldn't have gone to the Rose Bowl as they were never in the Big 10. They could've chosen their bowl and could've very likely chosen the Sugar against Bama as they did in 1973...
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 1:55 pm
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
2804 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:34 am to
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The 1971 Alabama team was only one year removed from Scott Hunters 6-5 team and 3 years of barely .500 football. Those teams were void of talent. How in the world did Alabama have the talent to go head to head with Bob Devany's best Nebraska team the next season? Comparing the 71 teams, talent-wise, is no comparison to the talent Bama put on the field vs Clemson. Your history lesson is being intellectually dishonest.

If we were so devoid of talent, how did we beat three teams that finished in at least one poll's top 10 and a ranked USC team in LA to begin the season (an integrated team that embarrassed us at home the year before)? Johnny Musso was a consensus All-American that year and finished 4th in the Heisman Trophy voting. College Football Hall of Fame member, John Hannah, considered by most as the best Alabama lineman ever, and one of the best linemen in history both pro and college, was also an All-American in '71. Robin Parkhouse was a second-team All-American on the defensive side of the ball. Going into the bowl game, we had beaten more ranked teams than Nebraska as well. It was not enough talent to beat that great team but should've been enough talent to fare better than a 38-6 beating...

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Really? Makes you wonder just where Jim Brown, Mike Garrett, Bubba Smith, Gale Sayers, etc., were playing football before they got to the NFL? How many Jim Browns does it take to get to the promised land?

They were great college players, all-time greats in fact...but even so, those players played on predominantly white teams during the 50's and 60's...do you think this is not so? It took most of the NCAA into the 70's before you started to see teams becoming more equal concerning player demographics...
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 12:38 pm
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 12/11/19 at 8:41 am to
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If we were so devoid of talent, how did we beat three teams that finished in at least one poll's top 10 and a ranked USC team in LA to begin the season (an integrated team that embarrassed us at home the year before)? Johnny Musso was a consensus All-American that year and finished 4th in the Heisman Trophy voting. College Football Hall of Fame member, John Hannah, considered by most as the best Alabama lineman ever, and one of the best linemen in history both pro and college, was also an All-American in '71. Robin Parkhouse was a second-team All-American on the defensive side of the ball. Going into the bowl game, we had beaten more ranked teams than Nebraska as well. It was not enough talent to beat that great team but should've been enough talent to fare better than a 38-6 beating...

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No one was ready for the wishbone in the southeast. And we completely snuck up on USC in Cali in the first game of the year? Who happened to be a very good team. Schematically it was tough to stop. That said, we were not the best wishbone team in the country. Not by a country mile. Had we played Oklahoma that tore Auburn a new one in their 1971 bowl game we would have gotten eaten alive again.

Nebraska had the advantage of trying to shut Oklahoma down in Norman at the end of the year. So they were hardly confused as others may have been. Terry Davis, Johnny Musso, were pretty much the options on that team. We got much more dangerous once Richard Todd and Ozzie came aboard and a defensive unit that was talented and deep. In any case, you said it correct, Nebraska was just better and if you want to see how scores can get away from you why not go back and watch the Clemson game last season?

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They were great college players, all-time greats in fact...but even so, those players played on predominantly white teams during the 50's and 60's...do you think this is not so? It took most of the NCAA into the 70's before you started to see teams becoming more equal concerning player demographics...





Which is why I ask you how many great players does it take? USC figured it out early with the long list of Heisman and All-Americans in the 60s. Michigan State, Duffy Daugherty had taken full advantage of the racial issues in the south with Bubba Smith and others and even started a black QB in the mid-60s.

As the 70s evolved and blacks were now recruited we still lost Condredge Holloway because "Alabama wasn't ready for a black QB." That's the Alabama that existed and coach Bryant had to live with and compete. Thank you George Wallace. How was coach Bryant getting the best players in the state when 25% of the population in the south that make up the best athletes were still being qualified and denied for so long.

When everything was finally equal, coach Bryant got to actually coach the first African American in Tuscaloosa as he was going into his later 50s. "Yeah, Alabama!"
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
3705 posts
Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:05 am to
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You people are so reactionary.


Wrong again.

LINK

How Jeremy Pruitt made Alabama's defense even faster

"Coach Pruitt has simplified a lot of stuff and it allows you to go play fast," the senior said. "You don't have to think so much." (Ryan Anderson)

"Coach Pruitt, he does a great job at simplifying things for us to make sure that when we go out there on Saturday there's not much confusion on the field and making sure everybody's on the same page," linebacker Shaun Dion Hamilton said. "So I just applaud him for being a good defensive coordinator and helping us out."

Posted by crimsontater
Trenton GA
Member since Dec 2009
3732 posts
Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:29 am to
actually, in my honest opinion. saban's 3rd down and anything, especially long. is far to simple. the offense is successful far to often. at critical times too.
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