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re: Saban's defense is too complex.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:50 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:50 pm to Eli Goldfinger
They actually are taught to turn and find the ball when they are “in-phase.”
Saban explains proper coverage
Saban explains proper coverage
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:51 pm to Robot Santa
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People said this same shite back in 2013-2014
We won a title in 2015 with Coker..
Saban changed his offensive philosophy in 2016. We’ve won one natty since then. The D wasn’t a problem in 2016. In fact the D was the only thing keeping us in that title game after Saban’s new offense forced our D to play 99 snaps. The D wasn’t a problem in 2017. The D wasn’t a problem until midway through 2018. And while I agree 2019 was a bad year for the D we don’t know what affect all the injuries had. But by all means don’t let these facts interrupt you from your chicken little mindset.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 9:01 pm to Eli Goldfinger
The Corners were not the problem this year. Surtain and Diggs both had great seasons, though for some reason people are being ignorant because of 1 bad game against LSU and acting like Diggs is bad. Pretty sure PFF put him on their All American team..
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:39 pm to Chancellor
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an inept Defensive Coordinator who couldn’t even teach his squad how many people can be on the field at one time during a football game
Posted on 12/8/19 at 1:06 am to BamaMan95
This soo feels like mid-late 80s Cowboys. Landry not wanting to change his 4-3 Flex Defense he made a name off of... some fans begging for adjustments, others calling them fools for question a legend...
This could get ugly
This could get ugly
Posted on 12/8/19 at 1:25 am to Chancellor
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Coach Bryant also won those championships in a time when it was harder to win a National Championship
I’m a Bear Bryant fan but I disagree here. There were no scholarship restrictions for most of Bear’s tenure; an old joke ran that Alabama was #1 in the nation and their second string was #2. He’d recruit guys that would start on most other teams...
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Coach Bryant was also screwed out of at least 2 more
While I agree here, particularly in ‘66 & ‘77, two of his championships wouldn’t have happened in today’s world (‘64 & ‘73).
They both have arguments as all time greats; Bear had Bama dominant in two different decades and has the edge in conference championships by a large margin. Saban has a streak of twelve 10+ win seasons; he was also the first coach to win championships at two different schools and he’s the only one in history to win 5 championships in 9 years. Saban also got his 6 championships in significantly fewer years than the Bear so I’d give him the edge, even though he’ll never be as iconic as Bryant...
Posted on 12/8/19 at 5:35 am to GAFF
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5 natty’s in the last 12
Should have 2 or 3 more.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 5:37 am to LovetheLord
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Bryant would surely admit that Saban is better. Saban coaches in a time of much greater parity. Saban recruits well but also does a great job of hiring assistants around him and his process is second to none. Like Bryant, Saban is very willing to adapt to whatever is working. He doesn’t create new offenses and defenses. He perfects them.
There may be more parity, but not at Alabama. That's the point. Saban has cornered the market with the elite of the elite. The teams who can't get these guys seldom have a punchers chance of winning it all and these days an occasional upset in the regular season is about all you can expect. To call Saban a better recruiter than gameday coach is not an insult, it's a fact. To suggest he was on par with the way coach Bryant could scheme a team is a blasphemy.
If coach Bryant called someone the best it was because that man had some class about himself and demanded it from his players. The closest I've ever heard him actually speak of himself as a compliment was after Bama beat a Woody Hayes coached Ohio State team. To paraphrase, "He's a great coach, and I'm not bad myself."
Posted on 12/8/19 at 5:49 am to stomp
It's not about 3-4.
It's about over complicated schemes.
The same way Saban saw that the cloud of dust offense was outdated and adapted, he needs to see that "over-scheming" against fast snap or HUNH spread offenses is outdated as well.
Want an example?
Gus literally knew we would scheme his punt adjustment instead of simply re-aligning who was already on the field.
He knew we would overthink and try to sub to counter instead of quickly re-aligning and playing loose.
It hurt us.
It isn't about the defense we play it's the fact kids can't play full speed when they have to think too damn much.
The hardest part for me was learning and application. Once you've done that you can play full speed.
many of our kids look as confused in the 12th game as they look in spring. This is a significant issue.
Saban needs to see this and make things simple.
It's all about our coaching.
It's about over complicated schemes.
The same way Saban saw that the cloud of dust offense was outdated and adapted, he needs to see that "over-scheming" against fast snap or HUNH spread offenses is outdated as well.
Want an example?
Gus literally knew we would scheme his punt adjustment instead of simply re-aligning who was already on the field.
He knew we would overthink and try to sub to counter instead of quickly re-aligning and playing loose.
It hurt us.
It isn't about the defense we play it's the fact kids can't play full speed when they have to think too damn much.
The hardest part for me was learning and application. Once you've done that you can play full speed.
many of our kids look as confused in the 12th game as they look in spring. This is a significant issue.
Saban needs to see this and make things simple.
It's all about our coaching.
This post was edited on 12/8/19 at 6:13 am
Posted on 12/8/19 at 5:58 am to BamaMan95
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Hate to be the one to beat a dead horse, but man it's time for Saban to make some changes. His defense is so complex that it's keeping the best players off of the field as well as allowing too many break downs and missed assignments. You can't tell me that there isn't anything players like Ale Kaho and others could have contributed to our injury plagued defense .Honestly, I believe Saban needs to keep Sark and hire Charlie Strong and let Strong run his defense. I 'm just a common fan sharing my opinion. Lol, Who am I to question the great Saban, but just my thoughts.
Coach Saban has been so successful with his defensive concepts against pro-style teams and then 2008 happened and then the HUNH behind that and unfortunately, Johnny Manzel, behind that.
All to remind folks that defense doesn't win championships in the same manner as before. Coach Saban needs a strong-minded DC that can play to our strengths against uptempo spread-em-out teams.
Golding is a yes boy, who wants to make coach Saban happy. He's not a Jeremy Pruitt who wants to shut you down and will fight for what he believes in. Big difference.
Les Miles didn't change after the 2008 rule change and it eventually cost him the best gig he will ever have. And coach Saban is going to have to pick his next DC, not on shared defensive philosophy, but proven gameday results.
This next DC decision will be the biggest of coach Saban's career at Bama and I truly believe completely dwarfs our next recruiting class in December by comparison.
Get this wrong and the dynasty is truly over and out.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 6:34 am to bamameister
I’ve felt like since Kirby was DC and Bama worried about the HUNH and substitution so much a rule was put in place for it, Bama and most other teams worried too much about scheme and personnel on the field. Has defensive football become so specialized we can’t just line up our best 11 and play football?
Obviously there has to be substitutions for different objectives like a nickel and dime package and goal line but in general I think simplifying and letting our athletes play more instead of think more would be beneficial. Especially in a situation like this year when the guys playing weren’t expected to and didn’t have the whole playbook down.
Obviously there has to be substitutions for different objectives like a nickel and dime package and goal line but in general I think simplifying and letting our athletes play more instead of think more would be beneficial. Especially in a situation like this year when the guys playing weren’t expected to and didn’t have the whole playbook down.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 6:51 am to phil4bama
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I’ve felt like since Kirby was DC and Bama worried about the HUNH and substitution so much a rule was put in place for it, Bama and most other teams worried too much about scheme and personnel on the field. Has defensive football become so specialized we can’t just line up our best 11 and play football?
Obviously there has to be substitutions for different objectives like a nickel and dime package and goal line but in general I think simplifying and letting our athletes play more instead of think more would be beneficial. Especially in a situation like this year when the guys playing weren’t expected to and didn’t have the whole playbook down.
Coach Pruitt was simplifying the defensive scheme to the likes of Jonathan Allen, Ryan Anderson, Reuben Foster, Dion-Hamilton and such and some came out during the season and praised Pruitt's "simplified" approach and thanked him for "helping them out."
That was coming from seasoned juniors and seniors.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 7:59 am to bamameister
You people are so reactionary.
Literally half the defense this past season were underclassmen due to injury. The captain of our defense, the one who everyone said was a sure fire 1st Team All-American, was injured for the season before a single game was played. His replacement was a true freshman who had been playing high school ball just eight months prior to his first snap in a Bama uniform.
Paul Finebaum said it back in August, and I most definitely agree with him now, the injury to Dylan Moses was the absolute worst thing that could have happened to Alabama in 2019. He was the one person we could ill afford to lose. Tua going down hurt terribly, but our receivers were so good that they could make plays on the simplest of bubble screens. Had our defense had a competent leader in Jordan-Hare, we win that game with or without Tua.
Literally half the defense this past season were underclassmen due to injury. The captain of our defense, the one who everyone said was a sure fire 1st Team All-American, was injured for the season before a single game was played. His replacement was a true freshman who had been playing high school ball just eight months prior to his first snap in a Bama uniform.
Paul Finebaum said it back in August, and I most definitely agree with him now, the injury to Dylan Moses was the absolute worst thing that could have happened to Alabama in 2019. He was the one person we could ill afford to lose. Tua going down hurt terribly, but our receivers were so good that they could make plays on the simplest of bubble screens. Had our defense had a competent leader in Jordan-Hare, we win that game with or without Tua.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:32 am to RollTide1987
Losing Moses was 10 times bigger than losing Tua, IMO.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:48 am to RollTide1987
Several of the players we were forced to start would have been 3rd stringers this year if not for early NFL departures and numerous season long injuries.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:49 am to RollTide1987
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You people are so reactionary.
Literally half the defense this past season were underclassmen due to injury. The captain of our defense, the one who everyone said was a sure fire 1st Team All-American, was injured for the season before a single game was played. His replacement was a true freshman who had been playing high school ball just eight months prior to his first snap in a Bama uniform.
Paul Finebaum said it back in August, and I most definitely agree with him now, the injury to Dylan Moses was the absolute worst thing that could have happened to Alabama in 2019. He was the one person we could ill afford to lose. Tua going down hurt terribly, but our receivers were so good that they could make plays on the simplest of bubble screens. Had our defense had a competent leader in Jordan-Hare, we win that game with or without Tua.
Dylan Moses was beside Mack Wilson and both struggled at the inside linebacker spot last season.
Pete Golding sux at his job. Let's say it together. Pete Golding sux at his job.
And here's a heads up, never, never, lose your generational starting QB and fail to appreciate that you are royally screwed.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 9:17 am to bamameister
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Dylan Moses was beside Mack Wilson and both struggled at the inside linebacker spot last season.
Moses had something Harris and Lee didn't though, and that was experience. He had been in Nick Saban's defense for three years and had seen just about everything that you could throw at him. Moses's job would have been to get the defense in the right position to make the plays. Josh McMillon, a senior, would have been right beside him. Both of them had been in Saban's system for years, both of them were injured for the season before the season even started.
It's a difficult ask for a true freshman, let alone two, to come into a complicated defense like Alabama's and put the defense in the right alignment every single play.
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And here's a heads up, never, never, lose your generational starting QB and fail to appreciate that you are royally screwed.
And even without our generational QB, we managed to score 45 points on an Auburn defense that hadn't given up more than 24 all year. Even with the two pick sixes, the offense played well enough to win that game.
This post was edited on 12/8/19 at 9:20 am
Posted on 12/8/19 at 10:24 am to YStar
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Gus literally knew we would scheme his punt adjustment instead of simply re-aligning who was already on the field.
Very true
Posted on 12/8/19 at 11:24 am to Eli Goldfinger
But that's the point, ya'll. You can call us reactionary and all that bullshite you want to. Yes, if Moses doesn't go down, it's business as usual and let the chips fall where they may. But the minute he went down, the wise thing to do wasn't to throw 2 freshmen in there and throw Saban's defense at them and expect them to pick it up in the brief time they had, especially with a green, unproven DC that is basically auditioning to keep the job and obviously doesn't know the playbook real well himself.
At that point, you call a defensive coaches meeting and tell everyone that we are going to go very basic, very simple fundamental defense going forward and add to it as the season progresses and they show they can handle it. The minute it looks like they are overwhelmed and don't know what to do, we stop and wait until they catch up. It was obvious by the end of the year, that even the upperclassmen like Diggs had regressed and didn't have confidence in what they were doing and were frustrated.
What Alabama did defensively this year was tantamount to UAB having their top heart surgeon quit and you promote the greenest resident in the hospital into his spot and expect him to perform open heart surgery on someone in a few days. He's observed a few surgeries so just throw him out there and let him cut. You don't let him start with a tonsillectomy or an appendectomy, you throw him right into open heart surgery and expect him to nail it.
At that point, you call a defensive coaches meeting and tell everyone that we are going to go very basic, very simple fundamental defense going forward and add to it as the season progresses and they show they can handle it. The minute it looks like they are overwhelmed and don't know what to do, we stop and wait until they catch up. It was obvious by the end of the year, that even the upperclassmen like Diggs had regressed and didn't have confidence in what they were doing and were frustrated.
What Alabama did defensively this year was tantamount to UAB having their top heart surgeon quit and you promote the greenest resident in the hospital into his spot and expect him to perform open heart surgery on someone in a few days. He's observed a few surgeries so just throw him out there and let him cut. You don't let him start with a tonsillectomy or an appendectomy, you throw him right into open heart surgery and expect him to nail it.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 11:54 am to RollTide1987
Moved
This post was edited on 12/8/19 at 12:02 pm
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