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re: Protests blowing up in Downtown Birmingham
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:45 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:45 am to pvilleguru
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Why? This is one of the few jobs where you can't afford to have "bad apples".
okay, then how do you guarantee that there are no bad apples in any given profession?
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:46 am to TideSaint
quote:Asking cops not to kill someone is a fricking low benchmark. Especially when talking about all of police brutality.
We are on pace for the lowest number of people killed by the police in years, yet now people are protesting and looting nationwide because of police brutality?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:47 am to pvilleguru
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Birmingham police are looking to arrest officer Keith Buchanan. He’s accused of sending out a false help call -- reporting shots fired at him during a traffic stop on Shuttlesworth Drive on July 21st.
His arrest would make the seventh arrest of a Birmingham police officer within the last year and a half.
What on earth does a story about a black Birmingham cop faking a shooting to earn valor cred have to do with anything? And how many of the other referenced arrests of Birmingham police involved "brutalizing their citizens"? Hell, how many of them were even white?
The lengths people are reaching to try and justify nightly bouts of vandalism, looting, arson, and assault is simply astounding.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:47 am to Funky Tide 8
You don't. But you also don't allow cops like Chauvin or whatever his name is to remain in uniform after multiple complaints against him. At the very least, pull him off the street and give him a desk job.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:48 am to TideSaint
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If the cops in Birmingham aren't brutalizing their citizens, why are the citizens of Birmingham destroying their local businesses? Why are they assaulting members of the Birmingham media?
The assaulting of the media was out of line. I'm also sure that police in Birmingham have done things that are completely out of line as well. The riots aren't based off of just this one case. It is a build up of people publicly losing their lives while not resisting arrest and then police get paid leave. As far as the riots and looting it is what it is. It's just not one group of people doing it so i really can't say anything about it.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:49 am to SummerOfGeorge
I hit the "off" button.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:50 am to Funky Tide 8
quote:Better background checks, regular psych evaluations, required higher education, increase training, more accountability, incentivizing/encouraging cops to report bad ones, actually firing bad ones, etc.
okay, then how do you guarantee that there are no bad apples in any given profession?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:50 am to Tide or Die87
Says the people who are paying to see them play football.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:50 am to The Spleen
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THe ME's finding was just the initial report, no?
The final report will go into more technical detail, but will otherwise very likely be consistent with the preliminary findings.
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Which is why it said "potential intoxicants". If so, I'd hold off any making any final determinations on it.
If they didn't believe drugs and/or alcohol to be factors they wouldn't have even included it in their preliminary findings. They have to perform a toxicology examination, which takes time, but generally speaking they can observe whether intoxicants were or were not involved. Just not exactly which ones.
And even if he was stone cold sober, that whole no strangulation, no asphyxiation thing really fricks up the pursuit of a murder charge against the cop. The ME isn't going to testify that the cause of death is consistent with a homicide. He/she won't even be able to testify that but for the cop's knee on his neck, George Floyd would not have died. Because there was no finding that his airway or breathing was restricted by the cop.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:53 am to Roll Tide Ravens
If you're mayor and know your city is doing this protest then law enforcement should be well position along with national guard on stand by from minute 0.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:54 am to pvilleguru
shite, just look at how many cops are getting caught brutalizing people during these protests against police brutality.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:54 am to imjustafatkid
LINK
I watched this reporter live stream until about 2am last night. Her streams are still up on her page. You can watch the entire thing devolve. Once they tore down George Linn's statue (note: NOT a confederate statue), that set everything off.
She left the area after she got caught in the crossfire of a gunfight.
She wasn't attacked by the rioters. I'm not sure why that is. I definitely heard her being threatened on her stream a number of times. Every reporter who was attacked is white, but all of the reporters who are not were spared. I'm not sure that is the reason, but it is definitely an eye-opening coincidence.
I watched this reporter live stream until about 2am last night. Her streams are still up on her page. You can watch the entire thing devolve. Once they tore down George Linn's statue (note: NOT a confederate statue), that set everything off.
She left the area after she got caught in the crossfire of a gunfight.
She wasn't attacked by the rioters. I'm not sure why that is. I definitely heard her being threatened on her stream a number of times. Every reporter who was attacked is white, but all of the reporters who are not were spared. I'm not sure that is the reason, but it is definitely an eye-opening coincidence.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 9:57 am
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:56 am to imjustafatkid
Birmingham Mayor just instituted a curfew. I guess the chaos will be in Hoover tonight.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:01 am to pvilleguru
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Better background checks, regular psych evaluations, required higher education, increase training, more accountability, incentivizing/encouraging cops to report bad ones, actually firing bad ones, etc.
Most of these problems are caused by public sector unions. As long as those exist, cops like the one in Minneapolis can not be fired without extreme cause. Public sector unions have turned government jobs into positions that are almost impossible for people to lose.
In Alabama, we should be well aware of this. AEA caused similar problems in our schools here. They raised a fit when the Legislature made it easier to fire bad teachers, and I'd bet everything in my bank account that you opposed that measure.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 10:04 am
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:02 am to imjustafatkid
At least now we won't have people getting outraged over people going to the store without a mask on, right?
Who needs a Coronavirus vaccine when a good ole looting riot can make everyone forget about it?
Who needs a Coronavirus vaccine when a good ole looting riot can make everyone forget about it?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:02 am to imjustafatkid
quote:Isn't that Charles Linn? A guy that was arrested and was about to be tried as a war criminal before being pardoned after the Civil War?
Once they tore down George Linn's statue (note: NOT a confederate statue), that set everything off.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:03 am to phil4bama
A friend of my daughter experienced this same kind of bullshite from cops Friday night. Kierra is a black 17 year old girl who has been my daughter's friend since they were toddlers. Kierra graduated early and is enrolled in FAMU. She wants to go to medical school and follow in her father's footsteps who is a family MD in town. Her mother is a teacher and dear friend. They are wonderful people, an upstanding family, and pillars of the community.
Kierra and some of her black friends were on their way to their make-up senior prom Friday night when local police pulled them over. I did not hear the reason for the initial stop. It doesn't matter. But the minute the cop sees a group of young black people in a vehicle, he orders everybody out of the car and wants to search it for drugs. These kids are in formal attire. There are no drugs in the car. Why were they targeted? Kierra called her mother who went to the scene and in the meantime, the dogs and several backup units have been called to the scene. Mama decides to let the cops search the car even though they didn't have a warrant, didn't have probable cause, didn't have shite but a bias against black people. No drugs were found and the kids went on their way but at what cost? Kierra is traumatized and her night ruined. She was scared. George Floyd is fresh in these kids mind. WHY??
I assure you a complaint has been filed but why were these kids subjected to this? That was senseless. Cops like that need to be fired, with a quickness. There's no place for people like this in authority.
Kierra and some of her black friends were on their way to their make-up senior prom Friday night when local police pulled them over. I did not hear the reason for the initial stop. It doesn't matter. But the minute the cop sees a group of young black people in a vehicle, he orders everybody out of the car and wants to search it for drugs. These kids are in formal attire. There are no drugs in the car. Why were they targeted? Kierra called her mother who went to the scene and in the meantime, the dogs and several backup units have been called to the scene. Mama decides to let the cops search the car even though they didn't have a warrant, didn't have probable cause, didn't have shite but a bias against black people. No drugs were found and the kids went on their way but at what cost? Kierra is traumatized and her night ruined. She was scared. George Floyd is fresh in these kids mind. WHY??
I assure you a complaint has been filed but why were these kids subjected to this? That was senseless. Cops like that need to be fired, with a quickness. There's no place for people like this in authority.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:03 am to imjustafatkid
Well shite, rioters aren’t scared of assault charges, but breaking curfew will really make them shake in their boots 
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:06 am to phil4bama
No regard for the fourth amendment. I've posted countless times on how evil drug prohibition and the war on drugs is. Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave with three slave women on top.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:08 am to pvilleguru
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Isn't that Charles Linn?
Sorry, yes. Charles Linn. I guess I combined his and George Floyd's names.
The park is named for him. The statue was put up in 2013 by the Alabama-Mississippi Chapter of the National Multiple Sclerosis Society and has nothing to do with the Confederate monument.
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