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re: Protests blowing up in Downtown Birmingham
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:09 am to phil4bama
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:09 am to phil4bama
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Kierra and some of her black friends were on their way to their make-up senior prom Friday night when local police pulled them over. I did not hear the reason for the initial stop. It doesn't matter. But the minute the cop sees a group of young black people in a vehicle, he orders everybody out of the car and wants to search it for drugs. These kids are in formal attire. There are no drugs in the car. Why were they targeted? Kierra called her mother who went to the scene and in the meantime, the dogs and several backup units have been called to the scene. Mama decides to let the cops search the car even though they didn't have a warrant, didn't have probable cause, didn't have shite but a bias against black people. No drugs were found and the kids went on their way but at what cost? Kierra is traumatized and her night ruined. She was scared. George Floyd is fresh in these kids mind. WHY??
Same thing happened to me when I was in high school back in 1997. We were all white kids in a big Surburban. Driver was speeding and got pulled over. One of the passengers had been arrested the week before for public intoxication by the cop who pulled us over and he recognized him. Guess what? We all got ordered to get out of the car and they searched it.
It happens. It wasn't racism. Stop projecting everything on race. As you said, you don't know why they were initially stopped.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 10:10 am
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:09 am to Funky Tide 8
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okay, then how do you guarantee that there are no bad apples in any given profession?
You can't, but there is a lot that could be improved with law enforcement in this country. American law enforcement culture in general is honestly pretty toxic. Rates of domestic violence in law enforcement families are sky high. The "thin blue line" is really just a propaganda campaign to pressure honest cops into not standing up to their colleagues when they observe something they are uncomfortable with. It's a sit down, shut up, and look the other way mentality. Because the most unforgivable sin in law enforcement isn't killing a child. It's speaking out against a fellow officer. Their command structure is highly militarized. Their tactics are militarized. Their equipment is becoming increasingly militarized. All in all there is a highly pervasive us vs. them attitude in law enforcement, which results in all citizens, some more than others, being perceived as possible threats to the officer's safety. They are an occupying military force and we are potential enemy combatants.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:10 am to imjustafatkid
quote:And that essentially goes back to cops supporting bad cops.
Most of these problems are caused by public sector unions. As long as those exist, cops like the one in Minneapolis can not be fired without extreme cause. Public sector unions have turned government jobs into positions that are almost impossible for people to lose.
quote:I'm not really sure what you're talking about, but I'm all for firing bad teachers.
In Alabama, we should be well aware of this. AEA caused similar problems in our schools here. They raised a fit when the Legislature made it easier to fire bad teachers, and I'd bet everything in my bank account that you opposed that measure.
I would rather have a bad teacher than a bad cop, but that doesn't mean I'm ok with bad teachers.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 10:15 am
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:15 am to TideSaint
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Same thing happened to me when I was in high school back in 1997. We were all white kids in a big Surburban. Driver was speeding and got pulled over. One of the passengers had been arrested the week before for public intoxication by the cop who pulled us over and he recognized him. Guess what? We all got ordered to get out of the car and they searched it.
Used to happen to me all the time as well. It's on you to say "no you can't search my car." If you give them permission, then it's legal for them to do it.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:16 am to pvilleguru
I don't understand that mindset by law enforcement. The "us against them" mentality. At best, it's misplaced. At worst, it's a license to kill. You live among and are one of the citizens you've sworn to protect. Most calls you go on are non-violent. There needs to be a revisiting of the relationship between police and community by both sides.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:17 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Just heard Woodfin (in his press conference) NOT defend the comedian. He said that if you are an influencer in the community and you instigate a riot, you’ll be arrested.
I honestly didn’t expect that. Good for Woodfin.
I honestly didn’t expect that. Good for Woodfin.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:18 am to imjustafatkid
LINK
Although he was a leader for the confederacy, it's doubtful he owned slaves. He made more money after the civil war via free market capitalism than before or even during. Originally he immigrated from Scandinavia.
Although he was a leader for the confederacy, it's doubtful he owned slaves. He made more money after the civil war via free market capitalism than before or even during. Originally he immigrated from Scandinavia.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:19 am to imjustafatkid
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Used to happen to me all the time as well. It's on you to say "no you can't search my car." If you give them permission, then it's legal for them to do it.
And the alternative was to say no, wait for the police to obtain a search warrant and still go through the whole process while their night is ruined completely. They had no choice if they wanted any chance to go to their event. And as was stated, there was nothing found because there was nothing to find. I would love to hear what the probable cause was.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:22 am to Robot Santa
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You can't, but there is a lot that could be improved with law enforcement in this country. American law enforcement culture in general is honestly pretty toxic. Rates of domestic violence in law enforcement families are sky high. The "thin blue line" is really just a propaganda campaign to pressure honest cops into not standing up to their colleagues when they observe something they are uncomfortable with. It's a sit down, shut up, and look the other way mentality. Because the most unforgivable sin in law enforcement isn't killing a child. It's speaking out against a fellow officer. Their command structure is highly militarized. Their tactics are militarized. Their equipment is becoming increasingly militarized. All in all there is a highly pervasive us vs. them attitude in law enforcement, which results in all citizens, some more than others, being perceived as possible threats to the officer's safety. They are an occupying military force and we are potential enemy combatants.
Here's the thing - if these protests were about broad reforms to policing in America, you'd see even more widespread support. Because of the government lockdowns from COVID-19, even many conservatives were coming around on police reform. If things like ceasing civilian asset forfeiture and no-knock raids and relinquishing paramilitary gear were on the table in exchange for things to attract higher-quality applicants (higher pay, background checks, etc.), there would be a legitimate starting point for change.
Instead, the optics of rioters destroying cities across America are resulting in support for the opposite - more militarization, more victimless arrests (curfews), etc.
So round and round we go.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:22 am to pvilleguru
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And that essentially goes back to cops supporting bad cops.
That's what unions are for. If you're calling for the abolishment of public sector unions then I'm all for it, but that idea is typically met with severe pushback. I'm sure these rioters don't get the connection at all. Simply mention that fact to one of them on Twitter and they'll act like you're the biggest racist in the world.
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I'm not really sure what you're talking about, but I'm all for firing bad teachers.
It was national news. 2012.
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Byrne said Alabama’s teacher disciplinary process, which is conducted by federal arbitrators, made his job more difficult when he served as chancellor of the state’s two-year college system. “Alabama has one of the most difficult tenure laws in the country that in essence makes it virtually impossible to displace an education employee even if it’s for cause,” he said. He pointed to cases in which he couldn’t fire a teacher who had sex with a student or a professor who was found to have fabricated his credentials.
AEA members are flooding the governor’s office with phone calls, said Sally Howell, executive director of the Alabama Association of School Boards.
“Every student has a right to a quality teacher in a classroom,” Howell said. “This bill will enable school leaders to ensure that happens in every classroom. The current law is broken, and it needed to be fixed.”
If you voted Democrat, you opposed this measure. It would not have passed if Republicans had not taken the state in 2010.
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I would rather have a bad teacher than a bad cop, but that doesn't mean I'm ok with bad teachers.
I would say one bad teacher does far, far more damage than one bad cop, and affects far more lives.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 10:41 am
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:22 am to TideSaint
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Same thing happened to me when I was in high school back in 1997
The same thing did not happened to you. Your driver was speeding the OP doesn't know why they were stopped. This is absolutely a race issue. How many white protesters were hurt while protesting their right to go where they want and do what they want during quarantine.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:23 am to TideCPA
quote:Y'all can still come out and support these things. Everyone would be on board. You don't have to go back into hiding.
If things like ceasing civilian asset forfeiture and no-knock raids and relinquishing paramilitary gear were on the table in exchange for things to attract higher-quality applicants (higher pay, background checks, etc.), there would be a legitimate starting point for change.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:24 am to RollTide4Ever
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Although he was a leader for the confederacy, it's doubtful he owned slaves. He made more money after the civil war via free market capitalism than before or even during. Originally he immigrated from Scandinavia.
I know he was a naval captain in the Confederacy. I'm just saying his statue had nothing to do with that.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:25 am to imjustafatkid
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Used to happen to me all the time as well. It's on you to say "no you can't search my car." If you give them permission, then it's legal for them to do it.
I hate to break it to you but if a cop wants to search your car, your car is getting searched one way or another. If you say no, he will suddenly notice that you are acting pretty nervous and then observe the odor of marijuana emitting from your vehicle.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:26 am to pvilleguru
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Y'all can still come out and support these things. Everyone would be on board. You don't have to go back into hiding.
Actually you can't. If you try and bring up broad police reform right now you will be ambushed into silence on social media with accusations of racism and claims of attempting to "drown out black voices" and "deflect from the true problem".
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:28 am to RollTide1987
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Get the hell out of here with this shite. Kneeling for the national anthem implied systemic racism, which made no freaking sense at that time and makes no sense today. When Kaepernick started his protest, Obama was in the White House and a black woman was the Attorney General of the United States. With these facts in mind, he was claiming the U.S. Justice System was racist against black people and other minorities.
Kaepernick and many players explained ad nauseam that the "kneeling" was directed at the injustices and outright brutality of the police departments. Some of those kneeling were in the military reserve or had formally served. It was the media and politicians that choose to frame the argument about nationalism. But you knew that.
As far as prejudice toward blacks, minorities, and the poor, it is a personal hatred that really doesn't care who your boss is. If they can get away with it as a culture and as individuals, they will.
The fact that the murderer of Floyd was by a white police officer and yet his Chief is a black man and his Attorney General is also a black man, who will now be personally prosecuting this guy is also overwhelming evidence of how big-city police departments continue to be held ransom by a racist culture.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:29 am to pvilleguru
It isn't even about George Floyd anymore. This is orchestrated unrest designed to cause chaos and prevent the re-election of Donald Trump. Some Democrats are desperate to keep him and the Justice Department from exposing their crimes. They should be, some could be hung for treason if the law is followed. This is a part of a much bigger effort by the left, their sponsors, and foreign players. Protesters are just useful idiots and wanna be communists. ANTIFA are paid actors who want to F stuff up.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:30 am to CrimsonShadow
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:32 am to Tide or Die87
Those protestors weren't wrecking mayhem, though. Governments can put in place laws, etc. but even the worst know there's blowback and enforcing some things is just not good for PR. Like Elon Musk telling the local gov't to go kick rocks when he wanted to reopen his factory.
Plenty of white folks got killed, etc. in the war on drugs. The mainstream media gives folks another impression.
Plenty of white folks got killed, etc. in the war on drugs. The mainstream media gives folks another impression.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:33 am to Robot Santa
You can thank the Supreme Court for that. One reason why I never lost sleep over Robert Bjork not getting the nomination.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 10:34 am
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