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tider04
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re: Offensive Line
The scary thing about the OL is it’s not just one or two guys struggling. NONE of them have looked dominant thus far. Not one of them. Very strange given the rave reviews coming out of fall camp about how great they were gonna be. Neal appears to be a year away, we need Brown back and the other guys need to take their panties off and start smashing the man in front of them. Color me VERY unimpressed with Coach Flood thus far.
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TidalSurge1
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re: Offensive Line
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Neal needs to lose 30 pounds and get in better shape.
A lot of our OL players have too much bad weight.
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mistaken4193
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re: Offensive Line
I don’t wanna be a Debbie downer but I feel like Jedrick and Alex have regressed from their freshman years.


tider04
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re: Offensive Line
I’m willing to see what Flood does with these guys as the season develops but if he can’t put a competent line together from all the talent and experience he has to work with, I don’t know what to tell you.


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BamaReb
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Member since Nov 2017
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re: Offensive Line
Does anyone know if Joe Pendry is still hanging around the program? And if so, what does he think about the zone blocking scheme and coaching?


bamameister
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re: Offensive Line
It's difficult for teams to both run at will and be a pass-first team. That's who we are. Tua looks so much better in the pocket than last season. He actually looks like he's operating out of a scheme that he can protect himself in. As long as we ran that pure RPO HUNH from last year the only way to defend it is to create jailbreaks to the QB. There was plenty of times that Tua could have sued the OL for a lack of support. The trip to the medical tent started with Louisville.

We've had one sack this season and that was against Duke and the DL caught Tua by the bootstrap. Should we give the OL credit for the clean pockets and sustained drives that have scored over a hundred points, and very importantly, allowed our defense to get off the field? A huge problem for the Crimson Tide last season.





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TiderNAL
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re: Offensive Line
Sadly a lot of the reason you don't see very many RB's who run with the downhill style is due a lot to the way blocking schemes are designed for the running game in football now. It's more of a zone/shield block scheme rather than the old school, blow your man 5 yards off the ball approach. It takes an RB with exceptional vision to be really good in a zone blocking scheme.


slammer66
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Member since Aug 2014
131 posts

re: Offensive Line
I think we undervalued how good Damien Harris was relative to how good the guys we have now are. Both could end up being good or even great but right now they are just average.

I will offer one really far feteched theory but something I have observed in the past. The two crap teams we've played thus far use guys who are more similar to linebackers in the SEC to play DL. The quickness of guys like that have given us fits in the past. Then when we play SEC teams which have bigger more powerful linemen we tend to do a little better. Those teams also throw every stunt known to man because lets face it, they are going to lose anyway so why not. Teams that actually think they can win are going to take a more conservative approach because if the stunt goes the wrong way against the play we have called, it's 6.

Also against these two teams we ran nothing but bread and butter plays. Absolutely little to no game planning. We just run what they expect. It's not going to be like that when we play South Carolina or any SEC team.


Legba007
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Member since Jul 2013
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re: Offensive Line
wish Jeff Stoutland could come back


FairhopeTider
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re: Offensive Line
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At RB, we are missing Trey Sanders more than we expected


I agree. Could arguably end up being a bigger blow than losing Moses.



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VaBamaMan
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re: Offensive Line
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It takes an RB with exceptional vision to be really good in a zone blocking scheme.


Then explain Trent.

Because Pendry absolutely ran a zone scheme. It was just a much better one than anyone since, imo.and he could do a better job at matching it to the offense, and coaching the kids to do it.


SummerOfGeorge
Atlanta Braves Fan
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re: Offensive Line
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I think we undervalued how good Damien Harris was relative to how good the guys we have now are.


Some of us didn't - I always thought Harris was a very solid college back. Great vision, almost always got positive yardage, slipped through holes that were small or non-existent, ran with purpose.

He was reliable as reliable could get for 3 seasons.
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MagillaGuerilla
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re: Offensive Line
A ZBS is also what Mike Shanahan used for those dime a dozen RBs that had career years, then flopped almost extensively elsewhere.

So it can't be too difficult for a lot of RBs...


mistaken4193
Alabama Fan
Member since Jan 2017
6323 posts

re: Offensive Line
Cole Cubelic today on 3ManFront made a bold prediction that Dalcourt will be our starting center by end of season
This post was edited on 9/9 at 2:32 pm


DLev45
Member since Aug 2018
83 posts

re: Offensive Line
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This group of RB's are below any group of RB's Nick's had at Bama. 22 and 24 are just good and NOT great and neither have the potential to get there. 27 has to get better and quick. It will all fall on 13 and the passing game once we actually play a good football team.


I rewatched every offensive play in slow-mo on the Youtube compilation.

It's not the backs. It's the line's failure to execute the blocking scheme. There wasn't a single run where we got a hat-on-a-hat that resulted in less than 5-yards.

All the plays where people keep calling out the RBs for "dancing" are a result of one or more of the OL/TE blowing assignments by either blocking the wrong guy, allowing a free runner, or passing a guy off too early to get to the second level.

The worst offenders were Neal and Leatherwood.

Go back and watch the plays that made you think "Najee and B-Rob just don't have it" and look for the lineman standing around confused not blocking anybody. There is guaranteed to be one on each of those plays.

And if you don't think we can get a surge upfront, go back and watch the "QB sneak." Tua gained 9 yards.
This post was edited on 9/9 at 5:56 pm


SummerOfGeorge
Atlanta Braves Fan
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Member since Jul 2013
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re: Offensive Line
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DLev45


Good post. That leads me to believe we are working on stuff, even just a basic shift in scheme, and we aren't willing to just toss it because the OL is taking a bit to figure it out.

I'm fine with that, just hope we start gelling a bit more and getting comfortable with it the next few weeks.

We're not going to be able to keep tinkering and working on it pretty soon (College Station for one).


Sebastian
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re: Offensive Line
He has been in love with Dalcourt for a while.


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DLev45
Member since Aug 2018
83 posts

re: Offensive Line
Examples of runs:

LINK

LINK


Pass Pro (same play):

LINK

LINK
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RollTide4Ever
Alabama Fan
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
12735 posts

re: Offensive Line
If Flood doesn't work out, keep an eye on Michigan's Oline coach.


phil4bama
Alabama Fan
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
6358 posts

re: Offensive Line
I know this is near sacrilege but if Flood gets tossed, I’d go after OU’s line coach. Dude has built some good units.


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