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re: Off-Topic: Governor’s Race
Posted on 2/15/22 at 11:47 am to TideSaint
Posted on 2/15/22 at 11:47 am to TideSaint
Your point, whatever point you’re trying to make, is moot because it’s an attempt to turn it into a R/D debate when I’ve clearly said it’s a voter problem. Go debate that somewhere else because I’m not interested.
Until voters in this state start demanding better candidates, we’ll continue to get these shite candidates. And there are plenty on both sides.
Until voters in this state start demanding better candidates, we’ll continue to get these shite candidates. And there are plenty on both sides.
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 11:54 am to In Hsv
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Not necessary to move that far, but would be nice to not be last in education, health, etc..
Almost all of those "rankings" are merely a function of tax dollars spent. Those lists mean little other than to propagandize you into shoveling more of your tax dollars into the education industrial complex rathole. Every additional cent spent on education in America as it is currently constructed is completely wasted.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 11:55 am to The Spleen
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Your point, whatever point you’re trying to make, is moot because it’s an attempt to turn it into a R/D debate when I’ve clearly said it’s a voter problem. Go debate that somewhere else because I’m not interested.
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but it’d be nice if we actually demanded better out of our candidates to actually address some of these issues on the campaign trail, instead of assuaging some middle class citizen’s feelings over having to wear a mask in Publix.
Tell us again how you aren't attacking one side over the other.
You've made it quite clear over the years what party you prefer to vote for. Stop trying to act neutral in this discussion. You obviously can't help letting it slip out despite your attempts to appear otherwise.
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:14 pm to FairhopeTider
Britt is probably the best choice in the Senate race, but that isn't saying much. Brooks is a blowhard, and Durant just seems kinda blah.
None of the gov candidates are anything special. Amazing how much of a shite sandwich the republican party consistently feeds this state when they have such a crazy majority.
None of the gov candidates are anything special. Amazing how much of a shite sandwich the republican party consistently feeds this state when they have such a crazy majority.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:20 pm to JustGetItRight
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the others are nothing but paper cutouts parroting national buzzwords. None talk about Alabama issues.
This is the most glaring thing to me, and it’s really frustrating. Your resume doesn’t matter. Your vision doesn’t matter. All that matters is whether or not you support Trump. If you don’t, you’re wasting your time. If you do, you have to prove you support him more than the other guy.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:21 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Britt worked for Shelby from 2016 to 2018 then went to the business council of Ala. I think she is extremely intelligent, articulate and obviously can be very aggressive.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:24 pm to TideSaint
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Tell us again how you aren't attacking one side over the other.
I was attacking a couple of posters that cited Ivey’s mask mandate as a reason they were not supporting her. I have no idea if any other candidates are actually attacking her handling of it, but a couple of posters did.
I’m not shy about my ideology. Never have been. Sorry I’m not interested in another tiresome R/D debate with you.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:25 pm to gumpinmizzou
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None of the gov candidates are anything special.
The only one that appears to be different is Lew Burdette. The guy has a pretty compelling story. (Books-A-Million COO, was kidnapped and shot as a kid). Clearly he’s a long shot though.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:31 pm to FairhopeTider
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The only one that appears to be different is Lew Burdette. The guy has a pretty compelling story. (Books-A-Million COO, was kidnapped and shot as a kid). Clearly he’s a long shot though.
Looked him up, the man is too good of a guy to be the governor of this state I fear.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:32 pm to gumpinmizzou
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Britt is probably the best choice in the Senate race,
If there is any truth to Obama funneling money to her campaign, that's all I need to know.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:34 pm to IB4bama
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Britt worked for Shelby from 2016 to 2018 then went to the business council of Ala. I think she is extremely intelligent, articulate and obviously can be very aggressive.
I'd rather have a "deep state" senator than an "outsider" who is mostly just going to be a roadshow for the rabble while the deep state senators are wheeling and dealing.
If there is going to be graft and pork barrel - which there always will be regardless of political or economic model as far as I can see - then I want someone from my team in right places getting some of that sent our way. That's some of our tax money. Might as well get some of it sent back this way rather than letting everyone else claim it while our senator is talking about the "radical leftist with 75 genders."
We already got one useless-arse senator who is just there to rehash conservative media grievance talking points...don't need another.
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:36 pm to East Coast Band
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If there is any truth to Obama funneling money to her campaign,
First I've heard of that. Where did you hear it?
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:37 pm to FairhopeTider
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Lew Burdette
This guy is intriguing. I don't think he has any real shot at it though.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:52 pm to TideSaint
I don't think Spleen is being partisan in his comments. Pointing out that politicians are running on media-driven issues that hype people up but are really insignificant compared to the challenges that we have as a state isn't partisan.
However, to answer your question, the democratic party is essentially nonexistent at this point in the state. The DNC pulled funding from local/regional races to bet all in for Obama back in '08 and haven't redistributed it back at this point. It was a major topic when Perez was running for DNC chair.
Side note: it was a stupid bet that didn't pay off. The Democratic leadership gave up local elections all over the country and what did they even get out of it? The ACA?
They don't have the funds or infrastructure to offer any suggestions in terms of addressing the problems that Spleen mentioned.
It's a shame, because I think most of would agree that having a competitive field of ideas is more likely to produce better solutions.
Side rant: What's funny to me is that our state has such a long history with progressivism, from the New Deal, to all our labor movevents, to the Civil Rights Movement. 40% of the state voted blue for Obama, Hillary and Biden, and what doesn't even include all of those that don't vote because they know the state is going red across the board regardless. There is a large blue base here that could be cultivated and invested in, but the shitty DNC doesn't give a frick because it's a bunch of poor people that talk funny. I mean, the center of their worldview is Conflict Theory, the idea that human history is defined by the rich brutally maintaining power over the poor, yet they abandon the poorest region of our country and stereotype us all as a bunch of low-value racists even though racism is a direct result of the rich brutally maintaining their power over the poor.
The Jim Crowe era was explicitly about dividing the working class politically.
TLDR: The Alabama Democratic Party is a joke and the DNC is trash.
However, to answer your question, the democratic party is essentially nonexistent at this point in the state. The DNC pulled funding from local/regional races to bet all in for Obama back in '08 and haven't redistributed it back at this point. It was a major topic when Perez was running for DNC chair.
Side note: it was a stupid bet that didn't pay off. The Democratic leadership gave up local elections all over the country and what did they even get out of it? The ACA?
They don't have the funds or infrastructure to offer any suggestions in terms of addressing the problems that Spleen mentioned.
It's a shame, because I think most of would agree that having a competitive field of ideas is more likely to produce better solutions.
Side rant: What's funny to me is that our state has such a long history with progressivism, from the New Deal, to all our labor movevents, to the Civil Rights Movement. 40% of the state voted blue for Obama, Hillary and Biden, and what doesn't even include all of those that don't vote because they know the state is going red across the board regardless. There is a large blue base here that could be cultivated and invested in, but the shitty DNC doesn't give a frick because it's a bunch of poor people that talk funny. I mean, the center of their worldview is Conflict Theory, the idea that human history is defined by the rich brutally maintaining power over the poor, yet they abandon the poorest region of our country and stereotype us all as a bunch of low-value racists even though racism is a direct result of the rich brutally maintaining their power over the poor.
The Jim Crowe era was explicitly about dividing the working class politically.
TLDR: The Alabama Democratic Party is a joke and the DNC is trash.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:00 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Ivey allowed mask mandate to be a local-level decision.
Well this isn't true at all. In fact, she forced masks through executive fiat until April of 2021 for no reason whatsoever. I believe all surrounding states had long removed their mask mandates before MeeMaw decided to follow from behind like she always does. LINK
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I guess this really highlights the crux of American conservatism. Small government when it serves their narrow interests. Big government when the majority will not serve their interest.
The US Constitution is based on states' rights. The states have ultimate rule over their individual state. Not each city council in the state has license to do whatever they want. What you're describing is more like anarchy than conservatism.
I'm sure you were touting this same line during the more than a year that Ivey nonsensically shoved her mask mandate down everyone's throats.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:04 pm to imjustafatkid
Ivey got rid of the mask mandate when it was sensible. Once most adults could get the vaccine and it became a consumer preference for whether you wanted to risk getting a serious bout of COVID or not.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:05 pm to Fells
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There is a large blue base here that could be cultivated and invested in, but the shitty DNC doesn't give a frick because it's a bunch of poor people that talk funny. I mean, the center of their worldview is Conflict Theory, the idea that human history is defined by the rich brutally maintaining power over the poor, yet they abandon the poorest region of our country and stereotype us all as a bunch of low-value racists even though racism is a direct result of the rich brutally maintaining their power over the poor.
Can't say I completely disagree with any of this, but it's only because the DNC craves power over all else. I do disagree with your view of why they don't invest here. I believe it's because they do not want more "moderate" Democrats in power. They don't want more Joe Manchins running around. They want more AOCs. They want people who will ALWAYS vote the party line to give the DNC ultimate control over the country.
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:05 pm to The Spleen
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Sorry I’m not interested in another tiresome R/D debate with you.
Then let's debate your plan to hold these candidates accountable.
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Meanwhile, our schools continue to languish, kids graduate unprepared for college
What is the solution here? Money?
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rural healthcare is abysmal
Are we going to force health care providers to move out into the country to provide care worthy of urban communities? Good luck telling a doctor they can't practice medicine in his preferred city, or state, after he/she spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on medical school.
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infant mortality is among the lowest in the nation
That typically happens when an overall unhealthy community procreates. Check the obesity rates in the states with infant mortality issues and you'll have your answer.
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(PRO-LIFE!!!!)
Well this is just stupid. Let's compare willfully murdering a child to people losing a child at birth.
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poverty rate is among the highest in the nation, etc.
What's your solution here? Pay everyone $20 and hour? I hope you don't enjoy shopping at small, local businesses.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:06 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Ivey got rid of the mask mandate when it was sensible. Once most adults could get the vaccine and it became a consumer preference for whether you wanted to risk getting a serious bout of COVID or not.
Nevermind the fact that there was never a reason for there to be a mask mandate and there is no evidence that mask mandates "slowed the spread" anywhere in the entire world, but the statement above completely conflicts with your statement about "American conservatism."
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I guess this really highlights the crux of American conservatism. Small government when it serves their narrow interests. Big government when the majority will not serve their interest.
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:08 pm to In Hsv
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not be last in education,
Not saying the education in our state is great by any stretch, but the state of Alabama requires all schools and all students to take the standardized tests. Several states do not so their worst performing students do not take those tests, resulting in higher scores than they would have.
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