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re: Off Topic: Governor's race. Walt Maddox vs. Kay Ivey
Posted on 7/24/18 at 9:28 pm to AHM21
Posted on 7/24/18 at 9:28 pm to AHM21
Ivey is so lame and uninspiring. She won't debate Walt because she knows he would debate circles around her and make her look a fool.
That statement is hilarious. Walt's stance on Kavanaugh has zero impact on Alabama. It would be refreshing to hear canditates get in a room and talk about what is best for the state, but Ivey is too scared.
That statement is hilarious. Walt's stance on Kavanaugh has zero impact on Alabama. It would be refreshing to hear canditates get in a room and talk about what is best for the state, but Ivey is too scared.
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:54 pm to AHM21
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Can someone tell me why Maddox's support of a Supreme Court nominee matters?
It doesn’t. It’s embarrassing how she is actively avoiding a debate and it’s equally embarrassing how the Alabama voters will reward her for that.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 6:41 am to FairhopeTider
she is in the lead in a GOP state so why debate. It would be like the heavy weight boxing champ taking on a new comer to prove something. Until the polls tighten up she has no reason to debate.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 7:36 am to mrbroker
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she is in the lead in a GOP state so why debate. It would be like the heavy weight boxing champ taking on a new comer to prove something. Until the polls tighten up she has no reason to debate.
She should debate because she’s a public official and should be challenged to defend her views.
Her strategy is clearly to do little as possible and to stay in a bubble. It will work for her and she will win by 10 points. Which is sad because that is only due to her party affiliation and the fact that she was in the right place in the right time.
So to use your analogy, she’s a Heavyweight Champion who was given the belt, is in the ring with the challenger, and runs around the ring for 12 rounds trying to avoid any contact.
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 8:12 am
Posted on 7/25/18 at 7:53 am to mrbroker
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she is in the lead in a GOP state so why debate.
I don't think many people are suggesting that her strategy won't be effective. The problem is that we shouldn't elect someone to such a role if they *lack the capacity* to debate and articulate their views.
Posted on 7/28/18 at 2:59 pm to Fells
not the best thing to blurt out of your mouth
there's not onen good reason for the people of AL to not want this to happen
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"The only two people that ever bring up the subject of debates are y'all in the media and my opponent," Ivey told reporters after speaking at a conference on children's policies this morning in Montgomery.
there's not onen good reason for the people of AL to not want this to happen
Posted on 7/28/18 at 3:34 pm to McGregor
It may not sound good, but it isn't wrong.
The general election is in 3 months and Ivey is one of the most popular governors in the US with a near 70% approval rating.
If the voting public had ant stomach for a real race and were considering change, the numbers wouldn't be anywhere near that high.
Ivey comes across as a maybe not-so-bright but nice and reserved grandmotherly southern woman. Normally that isn't much of a winning formula but coming off Bentley and with the Trump/left hissy fit happening nationally, it is perfect.
Maddox and the media know he's going to get crushed unless he can get her to stumble and hurt that image. He wants the debate so he might have a puncher's chance. The statewide media wants the debate so that maybe the race will get a little competitive and become a better story (that, and probably 80% of them are really no more than Maddox surrogates). The average voter, on the other hand, decided several months ago and now simply don't want to be bothered any more.
The general election is in 3 months and Ivey is one of the most popular governors in the US with a near 70% approval rating.
If the voting public had ant stomach for a real race and were considering change, the numbers wouldn't be anywhere near that high.
Ivey comes across as a maybe not-so-bright but nice and reserved grandmotherly southern woman. Normally that isn't much of a winning formula but coming off Bentley and with the Trump/left hissy fit happening nationally, it is perfect.
Maddox and the media know he's going to get crushed unless he can get her to stumble and hurt that image. He wants the debate so he might have a puncher's chance. The statewide media wants the debate so that maybe the race will get a little competitive and become a better story (that, and probably 80% of them are really no more than Maddox surrogates). The average voter, on the other hand, decided several months ago and now simply don't want to be bothered any more.
Posted on 7/28/18 at 4:36 pm to FairhopeTider
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Her strategy is clearly to do little as possible and to stay in a bubble.
After the last state wide election, can you blame her?
Posted on 7/28/18 at 4:45 pm to Lordofwrath88
Of course she is not going to debate, but she works for the people and has never been elected by the people as governor, so debating is probably the right thing to do. But obviously she wont.
It is pretty sad that 90% of the state's citizens wont know anything about either candidate and will just vote based on party.
It is pretty sad that 90% of the state's citizens wont know anything about either candidate and will just vote based on party.
This post was edited on 7/28/18 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 7/28/18 at 6:30 pm to lion
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It is pretty sad that 90% of the state's citizens wont know anything about either candidate and will just vote based on party.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 6:51 am to pvilleguru
I think the people know what kind of person each of them are simply by their party affiliation. There is such a stark contrast between the Republicans and Democrats in the country today, just by running for one parrty or the other is a clear indicator in what kind of person you are.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 8:38 am to amders44
That kind of group think is what’s wrong with the state and country. Anyone who thinks all dems or bad or republicans are bad is not capable of thinking for themselves. When we decided to let a letter next to a name determine our whole perceptions of people we went off the rails.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 8:52 am to amders44
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I think the people know what kind of person each of them are simply by their party affiliation. There is such a stark contrast between the Republicans and Democrats in the country today, just by running for one parrty or the other is a clear indicator in what kind of person you are.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 8:55 am to amders44
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I think the people know what kind of person each of them are simply by their party affiliation. There is such a stark contrast between the Republicans and Democrats in the country today, just by running for one parrty or the other is a clear indicator in what kind of person you are.
Thats simply not true.
I bet if you polled every registered Alabama Democrat, you'd get some surprising results on just how moderate most are.
Take black people for example. Every predominantly black church in the state is filled to the brim on Sundays. Do you really think these people are pro-abortion or rampant homosexuality?
Posted on 7/29/18 at 9:07 am to amders44
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just by running for one parrty or the other is a clear indicator in what kind of person you are.
And this right here is what’s wrong with our politics today.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 10:39 am to stomp
I'm of AA descent and the few times I've been to church, it's filled with old people, and def. females. A few gay dudes, as well. The Black Church will be non-existent w/n a few generations.
Alot of folks such as me blame the church leadership for alot of our problems. The main reason Dems have the AA vote (what shows up to the polls anyway since most don't vote) is b/c of the church. JFK knew this.
Alot of folks such as me blame the church leadership for alot of our problems. The main reason Dems have the AA vote (what shows up to the polls anyway since most don't vote) is b/c of the church. JFK knew this.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 1:45 pm to FairhopeTider
What kind of Democrat is Walt, anyway?
As mayor of Tuscaloosa, he seemed pro business, which would cater to Republican voters.
I don't recall his running around crying about the "under privileged", etc, and wanting statues removed as some other Democrat mayors have done.
As mayor of Tuscaloosa, he seemed pro business, which would cater to Republican voters.
I don't recall his running around crying about the "under privileged", etc, and wanting statues removed as some other Democrat mayors have done.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 2:58 pm to stomp
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Take black people for example. Every predominantly black church in the state is filled to the brim on Sundays. Do you really think these people are pro-abortion or rampant homosexuality?
That's a great point. A lot of the African American Baptist churches that you see in the south or in certain swing states (OH, NC, VA, etc.) are very socially conservative, sometimes more than some Republicans. They will vote Democratic based on economic issues, provided that the candidate isn't extremely far-left on social issues, like Barack Obama. A Republican like John Kasich, who is pro-life and fiscally conservative, but has done a lot for middle class and poor families in Ohio, would be able to appeal to them on the Republican side. However, someone like Elizabeth Warren, who is way out there are on the left, will not be able to appeal to them the way a Joe Biden or Tim Kaine would.
This post was edited on 7/29/18 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 7/29/18 at 3:46 pm to RammerJammer91
Let me clarify my point a bit. Sure there are more to center Democrats, and maybe in a local election that might matter. But from a National perspective the Democratic Party is controlled by the Soros wing of the party and they push extremely left wing ideals like Socialism, higher taxes, expanded social programs, open borders etc. etc. so it really does not matter that a democrat might be more moderate or even conservative they will be controlled by the extremely liberal left, so if you vote for a democrat you are voting indirectly for those type of programs. I am 53 years old have been voting since I was 18 and I have never voted for a democrat and since they are way more liberal now than they were back then, I can't see me ever voting for a democrat.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 3:49 pm to RammerJammer91
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RammerJammer91
I don't think that your overall point is completely wrong, but in regards to:
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provided that the candidate isn't extremely far-left on social issues, like Barack Obama
They did vote for Obama. I think the conservative nature of the AA populatuon will dwindle due to how urban that population is and how progressive urban churches have become. That, combining with such a long history with left due to the systemic challenges they face, and conservativsm being such a difficult sell under those condituons, will certainly erode the community's ties with conservative religion.
If the right wants those votes, now would be to time to broaden their relationship with Black communities. But tbh I don't think they care. It is the same thing with hispanic voters, which are typically pro-business, very religous and very conservative. If the right would try to get into that market, they'd be unstoppable.
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