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re: Off Topic: Governor's race. Walt Maddox vs. Kay Ivey

Posted on 6/13/18 at 6:28 am to
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 6:28 am to
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Along with the other stuff he was doing that was breaking the law. At least Moore whether you like him or not was never prosecuted and found guilty of breaking the law. if you don't see the difference then you have a moral issue, which is what is the problem with this country


Not sure what your point is exactly.

Just because DC elected a POS mayor doesn't mean Alabama should have elected a very high probability child molester/paedophile


Both the DC mayor and Roy Moore can be POS. Don't worry, I'll allow it





Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
16509 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 6:41 am to
the difference is one is a convicted criminal and the other was aledged to have committed those acts. Not a Moore fan but my comments were made to the immoral pville "kid" who has no morals based on comments he posts. He is part of the generation that does not vote but will whine their asses off at anything that does not go their way.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:06 am to
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immoral pville "kid" who has no morals based on comments he posts.
Different morals doesn't mean no morals.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:26 am to
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the difference is one is a convicted criminal and the other was aledged to have committed those acts.



While he wasn't convicted of a crime, there were 3 or 4 women that came forward, all with very similar stories of how he used the power of his position of DA to coerce younger women into romantic relationships and intimidate them into not telling anyone about them. One of which was 14 at the time. There is still a court of public opinion, and those actions will always be worse to me than an adult man smoking crack and hiring a prostitute.

And that's not a defense of Barry. The guy is a scumbag that had no business being the mayor of DC.

This argument is dumb, and I hate I allowed myself to be dragged into it.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 7:27 am
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20485 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:56 am to
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Both the DC mayor and Roy Moore can be POS.


Having never cast a vote for either, I can tell you that both are pieces of shite, and neither should have been elected, but they are not the same.

One was fired twice for injecting private religion into his public job.

The other campaigned on (and won) having billions in economic property taken from an entire race and given to another race. Yes, two people can be pieces of shite, but in no world are they equal pieces of shite.
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
24479 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:01 am to
Vote Walt Maddox
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50314 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:06 am to
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Roy Moore must have the worst luck. 5-6 women with no relation to each other all coming at him with the same accusations.


Oh, this wasn't "luck."

ETA: and it was 3
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 9:30 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50314 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:08 am to
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While he wasn't convicted of a crime, there were 3 or 4 women that came forward, all with very similar stories of how he used the power of his position of DA to coerce younger women into romantic relationships and intimidate them into not telling anyone about them.


The only allegation that should have given anyone pause was from the woman who claimed to be 14 at the time, and her story was absolutely and unequivocally debunked. Never mind that lawyers put the timeline together and she would have been in her father's custody at the time she claimed she was in her mother's custody.

ETA: LINK

One lady admitted she lied about him signing her yearbook in an interview with ABC, no less. Of course, they didn't ask her why she lied, or why Roy Moore used the same signature he used during her divorce proceedings in 1999 when he wasn't using that signature at the time she alleges, but they at least got her to admit she lied about the rest of the note being his handwriting. Not difficult for a thinking person to follow the line from there. She's clearly lying.

Another claimed Roy Moore grabbed her butt in his office in 1991...when he was representing her mother in a custody battle for her child... Yeah, that's credible. Even if he did grab her butt in his office over 25 years ago, we all know this wouldn't even be mentioned if it wasn't for the other 2 allegations.

The lady who claimed he assaulted her at 14 is easily the most credible of the 3 (and there were only 3), but her story also has holes in it. She claimed this altercation led her to drug and alcoholism and a series of behavioral problems, but court records show her behavior actually improved after this alleged encounter. There's also the fact she wasn't actually in her mom's custody when this allegedly went down and that she would have had to walk more than a mile (and cross a rather busy street) from her mom's house to get to these alleged meetings, which are obviously the biggest problems with her story.

The overarching fact that he was most likely pursuing teenage girls as a 30-something man doesn't bother me. His own wife would have fallen into that category at the time. This really wasn't, and isn't, an uncommon thing. 14 would have been too young, but it seems hard to believe any of the women who came forward so I doubt that is true at all.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 9:30 am
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:19 am to
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her story was absolutely and unequivocally debunked.



No it wasn't. No surprise you used a Brietbart link to support your claim though.

Whatever. This story has been beat into the ground, and neither side is willing to budge so it's pointless. Roy Moore is a terrible human being and hopefully he's done gumming up the Alabama political scene, though I know that's not the case.

Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50314 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:36 am to
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No surprise you used a Brietbart link to support your claim though.


No surprise you can't address the facts. I didn't link an opinion piece. I linked a piece that details actual court records and documents. You yourself could verify everything in the article, but I guess it's easy to ignore facts when all you really care about is winning an election.

quote:

Roy Moore is a terrible human being


This is a lie.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 10:38 am
Posted by RollDatRoll
Who Dat. Roll Tide.
Member since Dec 2010
12245 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:49 am to
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Roy Moore is a terrible human being


quote:

This is a lie.



Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:57 am to
This thread has really turned into shite
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
3907 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:08 pm to
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The overarching fact that he was most likely pursuing teenage girls as a 30-something man doesn't bother me.



Wow...
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20759 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 4:13 am to
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quote:
Roy Moore is a terrible human being


This is a lie.


Moore is a fraud. A huckster. His “foundation” was/is nothing but a sham to line the pockets of himself and his family. Using religion, he’s preyed upon people in Alabama for two decades. Everytime he was actually elected, he used his office to make himself a martyr instead of actually doing the business of the people of Alabama. When he lost the Senate race, he didn’t even have the courage to concede defeat. Instead, he used it as an opportunity to line his pockets again.

Moore is scum and in my opinion, he’s been a scourge for the State of Alabama for 25 years. The state dodged a huge bullet back in December. I hope we have seen the last of him and the minions that tried to ride his coattails.

BTW, Ivey should absolutely be ashamed for saying she believed the accusers while still voting for him. To me, that’s putting party over basic human decency.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 7:07 am
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
6312 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:20 am to
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The overarching fact that he was most likely pursuing teenage girls as a 30-something man doesn't bother me.


well then.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
3907 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:55 am to
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well then.


That's certainly one of the worst things I've seen here. Fat Kid is okay with child predators. What a terrible human being.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 9:56 am
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20759 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:09 am to
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That's certainly one of the worst things I've seen here. Fat Kid is okay with child predators. What a terrible human being.


Even if someone thought Moore was 100% honorable in his intentions and just preferred to date teenage girls, it’s still creepy AF. Couple that with everything else about Roy Moore and it’s mindblowing why people would choose to die on the hill defending him. Even at his best he has never been an asset for Alabama.

Hopefully, we’ve seen the last of Roy Moore but the guy is like Auburn. Everytime you think he’s finished he pops back up.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
22515 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:08 pm to
This one of the reasons why people think Alabama is a joke.


Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:33 pm to
I don’t believe the metoo allegations against Moore at all. I am prett sure they were a well orchestrated hit job. Having said that

quote:

Moore is a fraud. A huckster. His “foundation” was/is nothing but a sham to line the pockets of himself and his family. Using religion, he’s preyed upon people in Alabama for two decades. Everytime he was actually elected, he used his office to make himself a martyr instead of actually doing the business of the people of Alabama. When he lost the Senate race, he didn’t even have the courage to concede defeat. Instead, he used it as an opportunity to line his pockets again.


Is spot on. When he was elected to the court the first time, he refused the AG’s offer to provided him top quality national level representation and instead used attorneys who didn’t even bother to make filing deadlines and then when he unsurprisingly lost he portrayed Bill Pryor as the bad guy for actually following the rule of law. Pryor tried to help him all the way and Moore rebuffed him. He never intended to win the case. He wanted the publicity to paint himself as a martyr when he ran for governor in the next election cycle.

Hopefully he is gone for good now and good riddance.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
3907 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 3:08 pm to
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Hopefully, we’ve seen the last of Roy Moore but the guy is like Auburn. Everytime you think he’s finished he pops back up.


Yeah. I was a little worried that he'd make a gubernatorial run but I think that with him not putting his hat in the race, we've probably seen the last of him.

Which would be great because he is a massive embarrassment to the state. Makes it far more difficult to defend Alabama when we vote on such awful candidates, which is something that I find myself having to do more and more often.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 3:09 pm
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