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re: off topic-california may pass law to let student athletes get compensated
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:56 pm to prevatt33
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:56 pm to prevatt33
I apologize to all here for my bad language and forceful words, but I'm angry. I'm angry at some of you who are looking directly at your fellow Americans and telling them that they cannot earn a living wage from a 3rd party based on who they are because they temporarily play football for your university. It's unAmerican and it's shameful.
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:01 pm to prevatt33
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Julio Jones does not lose the right to be fully Julio Jones just because he plays football for Alabama
It does if Alabama says it does. That is the free market because Alabama has the brand, the infrastructure, the fanbase, and the ability to attract millions of eyeballs when they play. Do you think 100,000 people fill a stadium to see Julio or the team? Julio is one guy who has cycled through. Bama has like 150 years of playing ball and big time players.
If Julio signed with Boise State no one would watch or care outside of NFL scouts. Julio is one guy. Where else is he going to go? The only reason he is famous and could pitch products is because he played at Bama. Julio was completely unproven when he stepped on campus and Bama committed to giving him room, board, tuition, and the best player development in the game under the best mind of the game. So its not like he is not getting compensated. So if Bama sells a few Julio jerseys its paying for that.....
B/T/W: would you be cool with Julio pitching anything? How about Porn Hub Premium subscriptions? or the local titty bar or head shop?....It reflects on the brand. Julio can say no to Bama but good luck pitching Kias to the Gump nation.
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It's currently 76 degrees outside my house, and you are a communist.
It's time for you to get a real job instead of renting jet skis and dealing weed on the side or whatever it is you do down there.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:06 pm to 14&Counting
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It does if Alabama says it does.
No, it doesn't. There are federal laws protecting an adult American's right to gainful employment, and that is why the government is now getting involved to stop exactly what is happening with the NCAA.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:13 pm to 14&Counting
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It's time for you to get a real job instead of renting jet skis and dealing weed on the side or whatever it is you do down there.
Thanks for the suggestions, but I started, own, and operate an educational Institute. I'm doing alright.
But what do you have against weed and jetskis? Do you hate fun?
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:22 pm to 14&Counting
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B/T/W: would you be cool with Julio pitching anything? How about Porn Hub Premium subscriptions? or the local titty bar or head shop?....It reflects on the brand. Julio can say no to Bama but good luck pitching Kias to the Gump nation.
As long as Julio Jones obeys the law, catches TD's, and blocks with reckless abandon, I honestly don't care.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:38 pm to prevatt33
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No, it doesn't. There are federal laws protecting an adult American's right to gainful employment, and that is why the government is now getting involved to stop exactly what is happening now with the NCAA.
First of all you assume this is an employee and employer relationship and its not. Students are not employees. It is questionable whether collegiate athletes will be viewed as employees or that employee-employer relationship exists to begin with.
To accomplish what you believe should happen would entail all players entering to a collective bargaining agreement like the NFL players did in the 1960's. There would have to be some form of player organization. Some Northwestern players tried this a couple of years ago and it went nowhere. Teaching assistants tried it and it was shot down because it was held they are students and not employees.
I agree in some respects about the inequity inherent in big time college athletics but its a long stretch to say they are employees and can do whatever the want.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:41 pm to prevatt33
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I apologize to all here for my bad language and forceful words, but I'm angry. I'm angry at some of you who are looking directly at your fellow Americans and telling them that they cannot earn a living wage from a 3rd party based on who they are because they temporarily play football for your university. It's unAmerican and it's shameful.
Personally, I think they should have that right to earn money but if it ever happens it'll probably be the end of the ncaa as we know it. For that matter, other issues may end that before this one.
It's cool for discussion but I don't sweat it one way or the other because what I think about it won't have any impact on what finally happens.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:47 pm to prevatt33
my neice just graduated from pharmacy school. a school she will pay for with no benefit from a scholly. one of the first things they told her was, no outside jobs. dont even consider trying to work and do this schooling.
from some of you i get that there shouldnt be any rules or regs regarding student athletes making money while on the team. just let them have at it and profit by any means. because hey, nobody has the right to say they cant, right?
meh, if this goes thru, it will be nothing but trouble. some kids will profit. the rest will file lawsuits.
from some of you i get that there shouldnt be any rules or regs regarding student athletes making money while on the team. just let them have at it and profit by any means. because hey, nobody has the right to say they cant, right?
meh, if this goes thru, it will be nothing but trouble. some kids will profit. the rest will file lawsuits.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:06 pm to prevatt33
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Honestly, none of the people here arguing against allowing a player to earn a living from their likeness are doing it for altruistic reasons. You are just haters who don't want this fellow adult American to earn that money.
I think this debate is morally ambiguous.
You want players to profit off their likeness. That's fine and there is a legitimate case for it. On the other hand, it also could very easily cost thousands of underprivileged kids a chance at a free education as athletics departments are forced to cut teams.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:25 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Personally I think there could be better solutions. I don't think a free market solution is the best system to implement in something that is not in anyway a free market currently.
Football is really the only sport we're talking about here because there are alternatives for basketball players and none of the other sports register on the dial.
Have a third-party league (I'm going to just call it the CFA, college football association in this post) form consisting of eight regional 11 team conferences. Each team is allowed 22 "league representatives" on their roster. These players get paid an equal amount by the CFA. Hopefully by having a third party pay the players, Title XI restrictions could be avoided.
These players are the ones you see in promos, they appear at media days- basically the Tebow types that Prevatt mentioned earlier.
Schools can also give 65 full cost of attendance scholarships and 20 full tuition scholarships. The only obligations of any player that isn't a "league representative" are class and ball. They can only lose these scholarships from a refusal to play, flunking out, or illegal activity.
League representatives are chosen annually, so if you don't play well, you lose your paycheck but you still have your scholarship.
The winner of each conference goes to a playoff. The CFA controls the playoff's TV contract which it distributes amongst it's employees including the "league representative" players.
The season is expanded to 13 regular season games because starters are getting paid now. One of those games is required to be against a lower division school to help support those programs.
Football is really the only sport we're talking about here because there are alternatives for basketball players and none of the other sports register on the dial.
Have a third-party league (I'm going to just call it the CFA, college football association in this post) form consisting of eight regional 11 team conferences. Each team is allowed 22 "league representatives" on their roster. These players get paid an equal amount by the CFA. Hopefully by having a third party pay the players, Title XI restrictions could be avoided.
These players are the ones you see in promos, they appear at media days- basically the Tebow types that Prevatt mentioned earlier.
Schools can also give 65 full cost of attendance scholarships and 20 full tuition scholarships. The only obligations of any player that isn't a "league representative" are class and ball. They can only lose these scholarships from a refusal to play, flunking out, or illegal activity.
League representatives are chosen annually, so if you don't play well, you lose your paycheck but you still have your scholarship.
The winner of each conference goes to a playoff. The CFA controls the playoff's TV contract which it distributes amongst it's employees including the "league representative" players.
The season is expanded to 13 regular season games because starters are getting paid now. One of those games is required to be against a lower division school to help support those programs.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:30 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Football is really the only sport we're talking about here because there are alternatives for basketball players
Basketball players can go straight from high school to the NBA, and the best of them typically play only a year in college. The fact that football players have to be 3 years out of high school is likely to change before allowing players to profit.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:32 pm to John Milner
Let the NFL teams draft h.s. players, that would solve things.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:34 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Benefits of this system:
1) The players who are used to sell the product through marketing get paid
2) Restrictions on the number of paid players actually increases parody and expands the brand nationwide
3) The eight regional conferences would be a dream come true for TV companies- every region in the nation represented in a playoff
4) Those conferences are also a dream come true for the college football fan- no more Mizzou in the SEC, Rutgers in the B1G. Because only the winner of each conference goes to the playoff, the regular season is still the most compelling in US sports. OOC games help determine home field for the first two rounds of the playoffs.
5) Programs not in the top division still get their payment game that supports their entire athletics department
6) The CFA controls non-conference matchups- giving us more good games and abolishing neutral site games that suck money out of our college communities
7) Every CFA team gets 7 home games annually- 5 in their conference, 1 FCS type, 1 OOC: again bringing more money to the local communities that teams belong to.
1) The players who are used to sell the product through marketing get paid
2) Restrictions on the number of paid players actually increases parody and expands the brand nationwide
3) The eight regional conferences would be a dream come true for TV companies- every region in the nation represented in a playoff
4) Those conferences are also a dream come true for the college football fan- no more Mizzou in the SEC, Rutgers in the B1G. Because only the winner of each conference goes to the playoff, the regular season is still the most compelling in US sports. OOC games help determine home field for the first two rounds of the playoffs.
5) Programs not in the top division still get their payment game that supports their entire athletics department
6) The CFA controls non-conference matchups- giving us more good games and abolishing neutral site games that suck money out of our college communities
7) Every CFA team gets 7 home games annually- 5 in their conference, 1 FCS type, 1 OOC: again bringing more money to the local communities that teams belong to.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:41 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Let the NFL teams draft h.s. players, that would solve things.
makes sense to me, especially since basketball and baseball players can go. If anything sounds like a court case waiting to happen, it's this.
edit to say I do realize football players more often need development before going pro, but that they don't have that option is the point.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:49 pm to 14&Counting
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First of all you assume this is an employee and employer relationship and its not.
Incorrect. I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying Julio Jones was an employee of Alabama or the NCAA. I'm saying he could have been an employee of Jimmie John's Sandwich Shop or Dreamland Barbecue as a commercial spokesman, and the NCAA is blocking that potential gainful employment.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:00 pm to prevatt33
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I'm saying he could have been an employee of Jimmie John's Sandwich Shop or Dreamland Barbecue as a commercial spokesman, and the NCAA is blocking that potential gainful employment.
I hear that, and I agree that in Pangloss' best of all possible worlds it would be so, but in this real world I am pretty sure that it would result in fat cat boosters bidding for the best players to be commercial spokesmen for them. That, of course, would lead to a relatively few programs ruling college football and the have nots going broke till they dropped football altogether.
and yeah, 2 college football programs currently rule college football but this, too, shall pass.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:00 pm to John Milner
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The fact that football players have to be 3 years out of high school is likely to change before allowing players to profit.
Doubt it.....NFL isn't interested in starting a farm league an they are not going to pay 1st or 2nd round money to a kid playing high school ball. NFL has no interest in changing the status quo.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:04 pm to 14&Counting
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Doubt it.....NFL isn't interested in starting a farm league an they are not going to pay 1st or 2nd round money to a kid playing high school ball. NFL has no interest in changing the status quo.
It wouldn't be for the NFL to decide and as noted, relatively few players would be ready to go out of high school, but a lot of them would be after a year or two in a good college program.
The point is that an athlete in any other sport can go pro but a college football player can not.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:05 pm to 14&Counting
Personally, I just think that a portion of TV revenue and merchandise sales should be evenly distributed amongst all student-athletes who play the sport at the FBS level. Calculate a number and give it to them, making them a partial profit participant in the billion dollar industry built on the sweat from their backs. Easy peasy.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:06 pm to prevatt33
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Personally, I just think that a portion of TV revenue and merchandise sales should be evenly distributed amongst all student-athletes who play the sport at the FBS level. Calculate a number and give it to them, making them a partial profit participant in the billion dollar industry built on the sweat from their backs.
makes sense imo
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