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off topic-california may pass law to let student athletes get compensated

Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:34 pm
Posted by crimsontater
Trenton GA
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:34 pm
ncaa warned california it may rule colleges ineligible if this law passes.

have y'all seen anything or even have an opinion?

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This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 1:39 pm
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:36 pm to
1000% in favor of letting all students earn money off their name/likeness.
Posted by crimsontater
Trenton GA
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:40 pm to
so a few from each school get paid. what about the rest?
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:15 pm to
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so a few from each school get paid. what about the rest?


This is not legislation that is setting out to pay players. It is legislation to prevent a governing body, in this case the NCAA, from preventing its adult constituents from earning a living. Every adult has the right to earn a living, so long as that living is not made criminally.

Honestly, preventing college athletes from profiting from who they are is as unAmerican as a concept can possibly get.

This is the owners of an economic enterprise colluding to prevent by rule the principle workers of said enterprise from profiting from said enterprise - and not only preventing them from profiting from the enterprise itself, but also preventing/limiting them from profiting outside of the enterprise. It's not slavery per se, particularly from the viewpoint of the players - they are not obligated to participate. But from the viewpoint of the folks benefiting at the top, it looks exactly like slavery. They work, you profit. They can't profit. Period.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 2:16 pm
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:18 pm to
To anyone who's gonna scream, "They're getting a scholarship, housing, food, etc." - it doesn't matter. The market says some players are worth more, and this legislation is setting out to enable those adult earners to earn.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:20 pm to
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Honestly, preventing college athletes from profiting from who they are is as unAmerican as a concept can possibly get.


Not if they are wearing the Alabama uniform...or any school's uniform.

Do you think people are watching because Joe 5* is playing football or because Joe 5* is playing at Alabama or Ohio State?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:24 pm to
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so a few from each school get paid. what about the rest?

The rest have the same opportunity. If someone wants to pay them, they are welcome to take it. No different from any other student.
Posted by crimsontater
Trenton GA
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:25 pm to
but the cali lawmaker that put forth this legislation said specifically, it was based on "fairness". so again i ask, what's fair about a few star players getting paid but not the rest?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:30 pm to
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so again i ask, what's fair about a few star players getting paid but not the rest?
Every student will be able to abide by the same set of rules.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:31 pm to
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Not if they are wearing the Alabama uniform...or any school's uniform.

Do you think people are watching because Joe 5* is playing football or because Joe 5* is playing at Alabama or Ohio State?


Doesn't matter. Joe 5* is not the property of the University of Alabama. Sure, he can't be in a TV commercial in his uniform, but he damn well has the right to show up in his own damn skin.

This would be like if the Screen Actors Guild colluded with all of the movie studios to create rules that prevented Matthew McConaughey from selling Buicks, while also severely limiting his salaries from movies to a small, very specific set of benefits. And you being on the side of the movie studios cause because Paramount is your favorite.

Honestly, why would any fan be against paying players? Seriously? They're gonna keep playing the damn games either way, and you are still gonna get to enjoy watching those games...and so why would you be in favor of TV Networks, Universities, Coaches, and the NCAA itself profiting but not the players? What's in it for you to have this opinion? It's patently asinine.

Why don't you want Matthew McConaughey to sell Buicks? The Oscars won't be fair anymore? What's YOUR benefit?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:32 pm to
Bingo.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:32 pm to
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it was based on "fairness". so again i ask, what's fair about a few star players getting paid but not the rest?


Why do some lawyers, doctors, and accountants make more than others? The market dictates their worth.

There's a whole bunch of communists in here, honestly.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:03 pm to
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Do you think people are watching because Joe 5* is playing football or because Joe 5* is playing at Alabama or Ohio State?


This is honestly completely retarded.

Back in 2008 when CBS was advertising Saturday's game featuring Florida, the TV snippet/commercial didn't have footage of Florida's backup Left Guard. It had footage of Tim Motherfricking Tebow in it while referencing his name both verbally and in writing on the TV screen. So we know that CBS completely disagrees with your assessment that the players don't affect how many eyes tune in.

Back between 2008-2010, the University of Alabama sold a Cambodian queef-load of number 8 jerseys, and it wasn't because the number 8 is so pretty. It was because of Julio Jones. And so the University of Alabama definitively disagrees with your insinuation that Alabama fans root for all players equally and therefore spend their money accordingly.

I know that CBS, ESPN, and such choose games based on who the good teams are in order to maximize ad revenue, and conference revenue is tied to ad revenue. And I know that the best teams have the best players, as winning percentage is directly tied to talent level. And I know Nick Saban knows that in order to win, you have to get the best players. And so, now we know that everyone at every level disagrees with your insinuation that just as many eyes will tune in to an Alabama game regardless if which 55 or so humans are in the uniforms.

Please, 14&Counting, you must get in contact with Nick Saban ASAP and notify him that it doesn't matter which 85 folks we have for our scholarships - it could literally be anybody and nothing will change. Folks will still tune in equally. Thank God for you, 14&Counting, you are an Angel. You are going to save the university so much money on recruiting.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 3:06 pm
Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
1977 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:10 pm to
yea, let these kids go play in the D league of the nba, or some dev league of the nfl, and lets see how much money they get for their likeness. And its really going to be great in the locker room. Tua and a couple of others walking around wearing gold chains, and the o linemen getting nothing for busting their buts. And it will just open the doors to who has the most money. You come to Alabama or some rich school and I will pay you $$$.00 per month for your name.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 3:19 pm
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:13 pm to
Imagine being against students being able to make money off their name when it doesn't cost the university a cent.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
12613 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:13 pm to
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The market dictates their worth.


If the market really thought they were worth so much, a minor league would’ve succeeded by letting them play at 18.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
12613 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:15 pm to
We’re talking about universities. Nothing about the whole system is a free market. If it was, athletics departments wouldn’t be forced to spend thousands on sports with no chance of a return, and many athletics departments would’ve shut down long ago.

Also let’s not pretend this is the only area in college people are paid well below their market value.

Doctors going through residency, future professors student teaching. Hell when I was in school, I helped a professor license a technology worth thousands for the school and got a book stipend in return.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42017 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:17 pm to
I just want NCAA Football video games back.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
12613 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:19 pm to
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Imagine being against students being able to make money off their name when it doesn't cost the university a cent.


I wouldn’t say I’m against it. The morale posturing about it though is ridiculous.

And it will cost the university money. Not directly, but boosters will have to pay players to win instead of donating to the university.

At other universities, it’ll hurt the fans because they’ll have to close their athletic departments because they can’t remain the slightest bit competitive.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 3:21 pm
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:20 pm to
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If the market really thought they were worth so much, a minor league would’ve succeeded by letting them play at 18.


Remember, the legislation in question isn't about them profiting from football - it's about profiting outside football.

And you are wrong. There is an incredibly successful minor league football league operating right now. It's called NCAA football, and the market says some players are worth a lot to potential advertisers. You know which league I'm talking about? The one in which our coach makes $8 million a year? That one.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 3:22 pm
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