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Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:25 pm to John Milner
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It wouldn't be for the NFL to decide
You don't think the NFL has any influence here? I believe their is a minimum age requirement.They can and do set the terms for minimum player standards.
American football is unique among sports. You can't start in a AA league and work your way up. You can't move to Europe and join a european league. The NFL is the only league and they set the rules for the league wth the player's union buy in. The college system is the system and no one wants to change it. Not the schools or the NFL. That means kids have to play the student athlete game for a couple of years and thats going to be on the schools terms.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 9:39 pm to 14&Counting
isnt the nfl the one with the rule about 3 years out of hs? kids are not physically or mentally ready for the nfl, straight out of hs.
this thing could end up going the way the ncaa said. the law gets passed. the ncaa declares the california teams ineligible. but how far would they go with the ineligible part? just a post season ban or a complete ban from playing outside california? would playing usc be the same as playing chattanooga?
this thing could end up going the way the ncaa said. the law gets passed. the ncaa declares the california teams ineligible. but how far would they go with the ineligible part? just a post season ban or a complete ban from playing outside california? would playing usc be the same as playing chattanooga?
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:14 pm to 14&Counting
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All these football players making bank but how is that fair to women's soccer?
Ah yes, the old "it's not fair" argument being used to argue that the current system, where billions are made on the labor of a labor force that's prevented from profiting on said labor, is fair and we can't make it unfair.
Seriously though, I believe that the women's soccer program should receive a cut of any revenue from TV deals and merchandise sales, or any similar big revenue streams related to their sport. Why not? Should they receive any money from college football? No. Why should they?
The billions made in that sport aren't made from the sweat from their backs.
Face it, the NCAA and the universities actively promoted the game to the billion dollar industry that it is today, and now that these billions are being generated, you have to cut the labor force in on the deal.
Changes are coming whether you want them to change or not. I'm on the side of "let's make this look less like slavery." You're on the side of "let's keep it looking kinda like slavery." I'm confident that I'll be remembered as being on the right side of history as it pertains to this issue.
The simple reality is that if billions are generated from the labor of a group, then that group should be considered employees and compensated accordingly. The comcept of "student-athlete" is a blatant con job from the people making and keeping those billions. And I'm baffled as to why any regular Americans would be on the side of Big Business on this issue.
Why are any of you arguing against the little guy, and arguing for the major corporations? What's in it for you? What motivates you to support those most unlike you, and hate on the rights of those most like you?
Posted on 6/27/19 at 5:59 am to 14&Counting
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The only reason he is famous and could pitch products is because he played at Bama.
This is complete bullshite. His announcement was on ESPN. People knew who he was and he was going to be a great player where ever he went.
quote:Yes.
would you be cool with Julio pitching anything?
Posted on 6/27/19 at 7:05 am to crimsontater
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isnt the nfl the one with the rule about 3 years out of hs?
I think you can petition the NFL to play earlier. Canadian Football League has no age limits.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 7:32 am to prevatt33
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And McConaughey sells Buicks, not as Wooderson from Dazed and Confused, but as Matthew fricking McConaughey.
Lincolns, but why let facts slow you down here... your feels are so strong.
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I apologize to all here for my bad language and forceful words, but I'm angry. I'm angry at some of you who are looking directly at your fellow Americans and telling them that they cannot earn a living wage from a 3rd party based on who they are because they temporarily play football for your university. It's unAmerican and it's shameful.
No... what people are saying is amateur athletics is not your path to riches. Nobody in the NCAA is stopping them from going to play professionally, the pro leagues do that
the NCAA is just a stickler for being an amateur in your sport.Posted on 6/27/19 at 8:54 am to MoarKilometers
Thats right. These students can sell their likeness at any time. They just need to move on when they do it. As Saban tells our players, they are building a brand while they are in school. Keep your nose clean and work hard. For most it could be like that first contract. It might be worth more after a couple of more years of hard work and success. They are not necessarily losing money to wait.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 9:03 am to MoarKilometers
Let individual player compensation enter the picture and say goodbye to collegiate sport as we know it.
People will say that it's a small thing and it won't affect the game....bullshite! Let legal private money get involved, and it'll grow like cancer. So many destructive things in history started with just a "little" compromise.
People will say that it's a small thing and it won't affect the game....bullshite! Let legal private money get involved, and it'll grow like cancer. So many destructive things in history started with just a "little" compromise.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 9:31 am to MoarKilometers
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Lincolns, but why let facts slow you down here
Wait, it's Lincoln's, not Buicks? That changes everything. Please disregard everything I've said in this thread, and thank you for the correction.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 9:39 am to coachcrisp
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say goodbye to collegiate sport as we know it.
So?
You want fatcats at the top to generate billions and give almost none to the labor force who created it - and you maintain this opinion because you don't want your entertainment product to change? Way to think of your fellow man.
Sounds like you'd have been in favor of keep slavery as it was so that your cotton supply wouldn't have been affected. Guess what happened after slavery was abolished? Cotton was still produced and delivered, and the same will be true of college football.
The damn games will still be played, and it'll still be college kids playing it. Giving them between $5-30k per year of profit sharing won't change much, other than increasing their quality of life a bit. But God forbid we do that! The HORROR!
Posted on 6/27/19 at 9:54 am to coachcrisp
I don’t care what is passed. Either way I am going to watch Joe 5* or Joe 3* bc it is the U of A and college football . They should let the players choose to go pro and make money immediately if that is their choice. If the few elites go pro it will not change the game. There are plenty of 3-4 Star types and it’s all relative bc it will be getting and coaching up what is left . I am not against anyone making money in this country but the players know the situation they are getting into when they decide to play college football . I have sent one child to Bama and another on the way in August and the athletes have it WAY better than either of mine will so I wouldn’t quite compare it to slavery
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:30 am to prevatt33
So are so over the top, its not even worth responding to.
Slavery?
Slavery?
Posted on 6/27/19 at 11:26 am to IB4bama
ok prevatt, so i'm guessing you're ok with a high school star advertising for the local store owner and getting paid? then when a bigger store in a different town offers more money, he moves in with a cousin andtakes the money. this same scenario can be translated to college athletes. go where the most money is. transfer when a more lucrative deal opens up. turning college sports into pro sports is not good. just do away with college term limits, pay them all and turn it into a pro game? right?
Posted on 6/27/19 at 11:32 am to prevatt33
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NCAA and the universities actively promoted the game to the billion dollar industry that it is today,
So who controls the game? Where should the revenue go?
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The simple reality is that if billions are generated from the labor of a group, then that group should be considered employees and compensated accordingly.
There you go with "should" again. I think there should be complete social justice in this world but there is not. Even if you believe they "should" be, they are not. They are considered students of the University not employees. So you first of all have to get them classified as employees. This has all been attempted before and failed miserably. If they play and attend the university they are considered students and amateurs. They can leave and go be employees and professionals. There isn't a middle ground. He is not entitled to market himself for profit and he is not entitled to a cut of the money the University receives.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 12:01 pm to prevatt33
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off topic-california may pass law to let student athletes get compensated
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say goodbye to collegiate sport as we know it.
So?
You want fatcats at the top to generate billions and give almost none to the labor force who created it - and you maintain this opinion because you don't want your entertainment product to change? Way to think of your fellow man.
Sounds like you'd have been in favor of keep slavery as it was so that your cotton supply wouldn't have been affected. Guess what happened after slavery was abolished? Cotton was still produced and delivered, and the same will be true of college football.
The damn games will still be played, and it'll still be college kids playing it. Giving them between $5-30k per year of profit sharing won't change much, other than increasing their quality of life a bit. But God forbid we do that! The HORROR!
Which one of those 10 people up on the debate stage were you last night?...or are you on tonight?Posted on 6/27/19 at 12:01 pm to 14&Counting
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He is not entitled to market himself for profit
This is changing swiftly.
Honestly, there are some big, BIG changes coming to college football, and I believe many of these changes will force the P5 to form a type of Super Division and separate from the rest of CFB and possibly from the NCAA. Don't be surprised if there's a Commissioner of College Football within 15 years or so.
These changes are going to happen, whether fans here like it or not. You can continue to defend the big business of CFB as is, but it's going to change and change radically.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 12:07 pm to coachcrisp
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Which one of those 10 people up on the debate stage were you last night?...or are you on tonight?
Sorry, I don't get the reference. If you are referring to something related to American politics, I literally couldn't care less. Good luck with your broken, dying country.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 12:08 pm to crimsontater
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prevatt, so i'm guessing you're ok with a high school star advertising for the local store owner and getting paid?
I am on the side of big business not restricting law abiding American adults from pursuing gainful employment and earning a living.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 12:14 pm to Bear88
quote:I see no problem with this...just keep it out of amateur sport!
They should let the players choose to go pro and make money immediately if that is their choice. If the few elites go pro it will not change the game. There are plenty of 3-4 Star types and it’s all relative bc it will be getting and coaching up what is left . I am not against anyone making money in this country but the players know the situation they are getting into when they decide to play college football
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