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re: off topic-california may pass law to let student athletes get compensated
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:20 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:20 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Doctors going through residency, future professors student teaching. Hell when I was in school, I helped a professor license a technology worth thousands for the school and got a book stipend in return.
Are you seriously trying to act like these are in any way equivalent?
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:22 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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At other universities, it’ll hurt the fans because they’ll have to close their athletic departments because they can’t remain the slightest bit competitive
They aren't competitive now.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:23 pm to pvilleguru
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Are you seriously trying to act like these are in any way equivalent?
How is student teaching any different? I had friends that designed, taught, and graded courses of over 100 students.
The students in there are paying for that teaching. The student teacher is doing the teaching but makes like minimum wage.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:27 pm to prevatt33
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It's called NCAA football, and the market says some players are worth a lot to potential advertisers
If the players are why NCAA football is so popular, then why doesn’t a minor league just take those players, and then become successful like NCAA?
Presumably, they could get those players for pretty cheap if we believe the players are getting such a rotten deal now.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:29 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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How is student teaching any different? I had friends that designed, taught, and graded courses of over 100 students.
The students in there are paying for that teaching. The student teacher is doing the teaching but makes like minimum wage.
Are there any rules preventing them from tutoring on the side or appearing in a commercial for the local school supply store? I bet they are allowed to profit from those things.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:32 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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If the players are why NCAA football is so popular, then why doesn’t a minor league just take those players, and then become successful like NCAA?
This is asinine. This is like you opening a sub sandwich shop in a commercial center that already has a super successful Subway franchise. In the next few months, Subway continues to thrive and your business dies, after which you decide your business died because this town doesn't like sandwiches.
The market is already served! Just like NCAA football as minor league football.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:51 pm to prevatt33
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This is like you opening a sub sandwich shop in a commercial center that already has a super successful Subway franchise. In the next few months, Subway continues to thrive and your business dies, after which you decide your business died because this town doesn't like sandwiches.
Let me fix this for you. After opening your shop, you hire away all of subways employees because you figure that’s what makes Subway successful. After you fail, you realize no one gave a damn about who’s making the sandwich.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:57 pm to pvilleguru
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Are there any rules preventing them from tutoring on the side
Yes. They can’t get paid to tutor for the class they teach. I can’t say for sure if that’s a universal rule, but it’s clear how that would cause a conflict of interest.
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appearing in a commercial for the local school supply store?
No, but the university also doesn’t provide them a free platform to showcase their talent in front of millions.
And anyways the original comment was just that in the university system, people are very often paid below their market value.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:59 pm to pvilleguru
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They aren't competitive now.
Who do you mean by they? I’m thinking about a lot more than just like the G5 and FCS.
I doubt Miss State, Kansas State, Pitt, etc have the boosters to stay within 50 of Texas if Texas boosters can just get whoever they want.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:05 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Yes. They can’t get paid to tutor for the class they teach. I can’t say for sure if that’s a universal rule, but it’s clear how that would cause a conflict of interest.
But they can tutor for a different class or even the kid that lives down the street?
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No, but the university also doesn’t provide them a free platform to showcase their talent in front of millions
But they provide a platform to showcase their talent in front of their community.
quote:But the university doesn't prevent them from profiting from other avenues related to their talent.
And anyways the original comment was just that in the university system, people are very often paid below their market value
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:12 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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I doubt Miss State, Kansas State, Pitt, etc have the boosters to stay within 50 of Texas if Texas boosters can just get whoever they want
Texas finished 3rd in recruiting (according to 247) in 2019. None of those three finished higher than 24. They already aren't competitive in recruiting.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:26 pm to prevatt33
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This is like you opening a sub sandwich shop in a commercial center that already has a super successful Subway franchise.
The NCAA should rule Subway ineligible because they suck
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:32 pm to pvilleguru
Bill Snyder was the only reason anyone would want to go to Kansas State. The only way to get a decent recruit to go there now would be to pay them.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:43 pm to pvilleguru
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But the university doesn't prevent them from profiting from other avenues related to their talent.
In theory, no. Practically, yes. Someone working towards a doctorate and student teaching isn’t going to have the time to pursue those other avenues, and their most valuable skill, teaching certain college courses, is largely blocked outside of the teaching role.
In other careers like nurse practitioner, doctors organizations block them from performing work they’re capable of by requiring certifications.
My point again isn’t that paying student athletes is ridiculous or even that I’m against it.
It’s that the current system isn’t the great injustice people make it to be, and that a free market argument is pretty weak in this situation.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:46 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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It’s that the current system isn’t the great injustice people make it to be, and that a free market argument is pretty weak in this situation.
If it's preventing people from earning hundreds of thousands of dollars (or even an extra few hundreds here and there) just for being who they are, how is that not an injustice?
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:51 pm to pvilleguru
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Texas finished 3rd in recruiting (according to 247) in 2019. None of those three finished higher than 24. They already aren't competitive in recruiting.
I think you’re underestimating how wide that gap could get in terms of talent. I think basically every top 300 player would go to the top 12-15 schools.
Kansas State doesn’t compete with Texas in the recruiting rankings, but they do compete in the sense of being able to field a competent team.
I don’t even think you’d see that because this system also significantly reduces the impact of scholarship limits. If a booster wants a guy bad enough, they can just make up the scholarship difference.
Boosters at programs like Kansas State will pack it in pretty quickly once they realize they can’t compete financially. They won’t just keep throwing money at the team.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:55 pm to pvilleguru
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If it's preventing people from earning hundreds of thousands of dollars (or even an extra few hundreds here and there) just for being who they are
I’m not sure I understand what you mean. They could earn hundreds of thousands for being who they are?
The value of college players is derivative of the teams they play for. If it wasn’t, then the NCAA isn’t preventing them from doing anything.
They could just leave the NCAA and still get the endorsement.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:55 pm to prevatt33
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Please, 14&Counting, you must get in contact with Nick Saban ASAP and notify him that it doesn't matter which 85 folks we have for our scholarships - it could literally be anybody and nothing will change. Folks will still tune in equally. Thank God for you, 14&Counting, you are an Angel. You are going to save the university so much money on recruiting.
So triggered you had to reply to my post twice.
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the University of Alabama sold a Cambodian queef-load of number 8 jersey
No one outside of us who followed recruiting knew who #8 was prior to his signing. #8 became a star playing for Alabama on the biggest stage. B/T/W Alabama also developed this guy into a first round draft pick. Now sure he would have been a star wherever he played, but he is wearing the Alabama jersey and playing on the biggest stage with 85 other guys while he was in college.
Your actor analogy is beyond dumb. The actor signs a contract to be in that movie but that doesn't give them the right to leverage the studio. It's like Mark Hamil running around selling himself as Luke Skywalker when George Lucas owns that.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:34 pm to 14&Counting
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So triggered you had to reply to my post twice.
I replied twice. So? How old are you? 12?
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The actor signs a contract to be in that movie but that doesn't give them the right to leverage the studio. It's like Mark Hamil running around selling himself as Luke Skywalker when George Lucas owns that.
What in the ever loving frick are you talking about?
No one is insinuating that Julio Jones has the right to advertise for Hardee's in his football uniform or reference Alabama in any way. And McConaughey sells Buicks, not as Wooderson from Dazed and Confused, but as Matthew fricking McConaughey.
Julio Jones does not lose the right to be fully Julio Jones just because he plays football for Alabama, and if the market wants to pay Julio Jones, he should be able to earn that income as an American.
Use your brain, man. Seriously, just try it out.
Also, you are a communist. That's not meant to be an insult, just a fact. It's currently 76 degrees outside my house, and you are a communist.
Why do you want to prohibit an adult American from earning a wage? You are a fricking hater, and a fricking communist.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:43 pm to prevatt33
Honestly, none of the people here arguing against allowing a player to earn a living from their likeness are doing it for altruistic reasons. You are just haters who don't want this fellow adult American to earn that money. You are just being literal haters, and it's pathetic.
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