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re: No more 7A schools in AL
Posted on 1/24/26 at 5:21 pm to McGregor
Posted on 1/24/26 at 5:21 pm to McGregor
Agree, wasn’t a problem. I have coached in both private and public schools in northern Alabama. It’s been awhile but we NEVER recruited at the private school I played and coached at. I can’t say that is the case now. I know nothing about what that school does anymore. But it seems like they must be recruiting now. But the public schools (three in particular), have been long time abusers.
Actually, most of the public schools we played wanted to play us because of the money they made. There was a huge following and rarely were our fans outnumbered. So in some ways this will hurt some schools financially.
Actually, most of the public schools we played wanted to play us because of the money they made. There was a huge following and rarely were our fans outnumbered. So in some ways this will hurt some schools financially.
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:20 pm to Diego Ricardo
This IMO is all about the AHSAA thinking they’ll probably lose the CHOOSE Act case. It’s a ham-handed bid to “protect” the public schools.
This post was edited on 1/24/26 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 2/11/26 at 11:23 am to Master of Sinanju
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Looks like they're still keeping the 32 team format for 6A.
6A is expanding their playoffs to 24 teams - 6 out of 8 teams per region.
Anyone know the reasoning behind this?
Posted on 2/11/26 at 11:55 am to Master of Sinanju
Still looks weird to me seeing all those former AISA schools competing. Pike, Fort Dale, Glenwood, Lee Scott
Hell I remember when Faith, Mobile Christian, and Cottage Hill were AISA for that matter
Hell I remember when Faith, Mobile Christian, and Cottage Hill were AISA for that matter
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Posted on 2/11/26 at 12:06 pm to Diego Ricardo
The gene comment is problematic plus govt subsidizes a bit of our issue.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:08 pm to Crimson Wraith
This is a much larger issue than athletics.
More and more of the minorities and lower income whites are realizing the terrible condition (academically, culturally, and socially) the public schools have fallen to. Many are now doing whatever they can to give their kids a decent chance to succeed.
You've got to admire that. It's next to impossible for such a politically torn society to fix the problem from a governmental perspective..
More and more of the minorities and lower income whites are realizing the terrible condition (academically, culturally, and socially) the public schools have fallen to. Many are now doing whatever they can to give their kids a decent chance to succeed.
You've got to admire that. It's next to impossible for such a politically torn society to fix the problem from a governmental perspective..
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:51 pm to RollTide4Ever
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The gene comment is problematic plus govt subsidizes a bit of our issue.
I don't mean it in any racial demographics way. I've known plenty of dumb people and can safely say being dumb is pretty color blind.
The main point being that I do not buy that educators make as big of a difference as people think assuming they are making some sort of attempt to follow the curriculum. Ultimately, if a teacher doesn't resonate with your child then it is up to you to make up that gap. Some people imagine that education - public or private - is meant to be a full-stop service and it never has been that way and never will. If you aren't involved in your kid's upbringing then you can't complain when people who aren't their blood fail to get them where you hope they can be.
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Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:56 pm to coachcrisp
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This is a much larger issue than athletics.
More and more of the minorities and lower income whites are realizing the terrible condition (academically, culturally, and socially) the public schools have fallen to. Many are now doing whatever they can to give their kids a decent chance to succeed.
You've got to admire that. It's next to impossible for such a politically torn society to fix the problem from a governmental perspective..
What public education already is in some areas and will eventually nakedly be that way broadly in Alabama and many other states is essentially Baby Jail.
Any child with parents invested in their kid's outcomes, will end up choosing their children's peers for them. My belief has been that private schools are less about a superior education - often they are not - but instead about peer group selection for the child by the parents.
Public schools will become a wasteland of problem kids who private schools won't accept or their parents simply don't give a damn. There will be an ostensible education flavor to the operations but it mostly about keeping the kids institutionalized while their parents go work for someone else or a dumping zone so the parent(s) can screw off and do whatever they do during the day.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 4:51 pm to Diego Ricardo
I believe in Montessori style education. Replace schools with libraries and labs, imo.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:49 pm to TideWarrior
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As long as public education continues to be micromanaged with the focus chasing numbers and not learning the decline in public schools will continue to enrollment decline.
This isn't why. Selective discipline ("equitable" discipline) coupled with teaching to the lowest common denominator.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:52 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Any child with parents invested in their kid's outcomes, will end up choosing their children's peers for them. My belief has been that private schools are less about a superior education - often they are not - but instead about peer group selection for the child by the parents.
Somehow this will be racist.
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Public schools will become a wasteland of problem kids who private schools won't accept or their parents simply don't give a damn.
And special ed kids who's families need the resources government schools provide. This is the only area where public schools currently have an advantage over other facilities imo. Private facilities simply can't compete with those resources for children with special needs.
This post was edited on 2/11/26 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 2/12/26 at 3:42 pm to imjustafatkid
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My belief has been that private schools are less about a superior education - often they are not - but instead about peer group selection for the child by the parents.
Happened personally when my wife and I moved when we were expecting our daughter. We moved where we could afford but were as selective as possible based on the reputation of said school. Still considering private but the public option is perfectly fine.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 6:15 pm to parrothead
I'm not anti-public education but I think there are a lot of forces working against it and I'm pretty honest about where I think it is going to go. I'll leave the politics of it all for a politics board.
However, I remember reading a book by Steven Pinker in high school called The Blank Slate and it had an interesting chapter on parenting w/r/t nature v. nurture.
One of the takeaways I had from that section is that of all the specific environmental factors it seemed that peer group had a surprisingly higher effect on outcomes than even parenting strategies. Who you let your kid be around is probably one of the most important things you can do to help your kid. Kids of achievers, have a higher chance via heredity of being achievers. You want your kid - who probably has better genes if you even care about this stuff - to be around other achievers as a force multiplier so to speak. They're going to spend more time around kids their age than you once they get school age. So it makes a lot of sense to me.
However, I remember reading a book by Steven Pinker in high school called The Blank Slate and it had an interesting chapter on parenting w/r/t nature v. nurture.
One of the takeaways I had from that section is that of all the specific environmental factors it seemed that peer group had a surprisingly higher effect on outcomes than even parenting strategies. Who you let your kid be around is probably one of the most important things you can do to help your kid. Kids of achievers, have a higher chance via heredity of being achievers. You want your kid - who probably has better genes if you even care about this stuff - to be around other achievers as a force multiplier so to speak. They're going to spend more time around kids their age than you once they get school age. So it makes a lot of sense to me.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 8:35 am to Diego Ricardo
Spent twenty years working in private schools and three in public schools.
Completely agree.
Public school teachers have to be certified (or at least working toward it), earn more money in general, and are incentivized with pay raises to pursue postgraduate degrees and other certifications. That’s generally not the case in private schools.
The teachers I worked with in public school were typically better than private school for the above reasons, but the quality of the kids and working conditions were a hell of a lot better in private schools.
At the public school where I worked I taught Earth Science to about 100 kids spread out over four classes. I had one advanced class that was a joy to teach, two general education classes that were fair, and one supportive instruction class that was a nightmare.
Anyone who will read this post could take the advanced class and achieve higher scores on quarterly testing than the best Earth Science teacher in the world with any of the other three classes.
A mediocre teacher with great students will fare better in testing than a great teacher with mediocre students.
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My belief has been that private schools are less about a superior education - often they are not - but instead about peer group selection for the child by the parents.
Completely agree.
Public school teachers have to be certified (or at least working toward it), earn more money in general, and are incentivized with pay raises to pursue postgraduate degrees and other certifications. That’s generally not the case in private schools.
The teachers I worked with in public school were typically better than private school for the above reasons, but the quality of the kids and working conditions were a hell of a lot better in private schools.
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Reality is the school is going to perform relative to the quality of the inputs (the children) and the educators at the macro-level just don't matter all that much.
At the public school where I worked I taught Earth Science to about 100 kids spread out over four classes. I had one advanced class that was a joy to teach, two general education classes that were fair, and one supportive instruction class that was a nightmare.
Anyone who will read this post could take the advanced class and achieve higher scores on quarterly testing than the best Earth Science teacher in the world with any of the other three classes.
A mediocre teacher with great students will fare better in testing than a great teacher with mediocre students.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 10:28 am to Crimsontide1713
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Both have never been close to being top 32 by enrollment. The cutoff was Buckhorn at 1032. Clay is sitting at 952, Pinson at 740.
Lol. My high school had 2400+ freshman in my class, and 4200+ total. Pretty much all the central Florida high schools had at least 4k students.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 6:40 am to imjustafatkid
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coupled with teaching to the lowest common denominator.
Which is what I said. The concern in public education is that schools/systems chase numbers. They focus is on padding numbers due to public schools being micromanaged at both the state and federal level. Schools use numbers as a measure which is tied to funding. If they do not meet those numbers their funding can be jeopardized. Even more important for Title III schools. So, the focus is no longer on learning but boosting numbers at every level.
It is also not as much about selective discipline as it is lack of. Schools are so worried about numbers behavior goes unchecked. When public school systems require teachers to give every student a minimum of a 50 on their first report card each semester whether they did work or not, waive attendance policy, and EOCs only become window dressing it creates a huge vacuum.
In NC public schools are seeing a decline in enrollment. Which raises questions as state population continues to increase especially with families moving in. Charter, private, and home schools are on the rise cross the country and for good reason.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 6:48 am to imjustafatkid
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And special ed kids who's families need the resources government schools provide. This is the only area where public schools currently have an advantage over other facilities imo. Private facilities simply can't compete with those resources for children with special needs.
Yes to an extent but there isn't enough funding to provide the services needed. Why the private sector in services has grown so rapidly. Many systems share specialists who have to cover multiple schools and even in those settings they are doing the bare minimum just to maintain what little funding they receive.
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 8:42 am
Posted on 2/17/26 at 8:03 am to Globetrotter747
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Public school teachers have to be certified (or at least working toward it), earn more money in general, and are incentivized with pay raises to pursue postgraduate degrees and other certifications. That’s generally not the case in private schools. The teachers I worked with in public school were typically better than private school for the above reasons, but the quality of the kids and working conditions were a hell of a lot better in private schools. quote: Reality is the school is going to perform relative to the quality of the inputs (the children) and the educators at the macro-level just don't matter all that much. At the public school where I worked I taught Earth Science to about 100 kids spread out over four classes. I had one advanced class that was a joy to teach, two general education classes that were fair, and one supportive instruction class that was a nightmare. Anyone who will read this post could take the advanced class and achieve higher scores on quarterly testing than the best Earth Science teacher in the world with any of the other three classes. A mediocre teacher with great students will fare better in testing than a great teacher with mediocre students
So true. I taught 25 years in a public school and got my Master’s degree to increase pay /retirement. There were some really good teachers at my school but we were a school with socioeconomic factors that are very hard to overcome . I always said you could take our teachers and swap with other supposedly “ good “ schools and you would get the same results , maybe even better . Teachers at schools with low ratings get a bad rap but actually are better all around teachers ( most) bc of all the different strategies needed, constant professional development , consultants etc they have been exposed to in order to try to get results on state tests ( which are worthless )
ETA- public school teachers are generally better than private school career teachers but many public go to the private schools upon retirement in my area .
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/17/26 at 4:28 pm to CCTider
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Lol. My high school had 2400+ freshman in my class, and 4200+ total. Pretty much all the central Florida high schools had at least 4k students.
Only 3 high schools in Florida have more than 4k. 2 are in Miami. One is in Orlando.
Posted on 2/18/26 at 11:02 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Public schools will become a wasteland of problem kids who private schools won't accept or their parents simply don't give a damn
Suburban Bham where I live has self governed incorporated neighborhoods, so schools like Mountain Brook, Vestavia, Homewood, etc have their own school systems. Very expensive to buy a house there and not many affordable apartments- though good players are brought in as in all public schools. So really suburban schools here are semi-private. Not the same in Huntsville, Montgomery, Mobile.
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