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Posted on 7/5/20 at 6:37 pm to Carlton
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What do we do with children with little or no family structure? With absent or bad parents and poor education. How do we help them? How do we prevent them from doing the same thing?
Unfortunately I can only address the last question here... and the answer is an ugly truth. Stop throwing them aid to support unwanted kids. Unwanted and neglected kids are the biggest stains on our society, and people should not be financially incentivized to create more of them, period.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 6:42 pm to Carlton
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You can learn values many places, it is best at home but you can get values in school, church, programs, sports etc.
I agree. As an educator , I don’t give up on ANY child . The programs like you are describing do work unfortunately they only help a few . I just had a student in my class , very smart, juco ability in football arrested for murder during the Covid shutdown . Breaks my heart that his life is ruined before it gets started . You just don’t know what kids are doing when they leave school . I always try to hold on to the thought that the 7 or so hours kids are at school might be the best part of their day and love them and instill as many values as I can in them . It is so rewarding to watch a kid grow up , be successful and come back to the school and we talk about old times and you can see or be told you made a difference in their lives
Posted on 7/5/20 at 6:46 pm to Carlton
Child emancipation. A kid reaches the age of 11, they should be able to emancipate themselves from a fukked up family.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 6:47 pm to MoarKilometers
I don't agree because the only way to do this is also abandon a number of people who do want and take care of their children but are limited in resources but I understand the point. If this is implemented does this mean leave the children to the streets because people are not going to stop having unwanted or neglected children?
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 6:50 pm to Bear88
Keep doing good work, helping others and bettering society in your actions and voice the best way you know how whether we agree or not. I appreciate what you do.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 7:07 pm to Carlton
I think we agree . Programs like you are describing do save children . I live in a small town and have taught at a 100% minority school for 24 years . I just don’t see many of my kids involved in those programs that I know of . Probably because it is a small school and town IDK. I see a lot of problems that are affecting the AA community . Most of my kids parents (a lot of single parent homes) are hard working , want the best for their child and are doing the best they can to raise them right . A lot of kids from all races are just getting this IDGAF. attitude these days regardless of parent values
Posted on 7/5/20 at 7:23 pm to Carlton
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I don't agree because the only way to do this is also abandon a number of people who do want and take care of their children but are limited in resources but I understand the point. If this is implemented does this mean leave the children to the streets because people are not going to stop having unwanted or neglected children?
I get there's an 18 year age range affected... but eventually you have to start age 0 and let the clock freeze on the old way. I'm not saying to abandon those already here and living either. That would also be quite catastrophic for society down the road. So it'd be more of a massive revamp of the entire system, an 18 year process start to finish.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 7:32 pm to MoarKilometers
Well the numbers are in and it ain't looking good for team BLM..
At least 27 people were killed in shootings in cities across the US during Fourth of July celebrations on Saturday
In Chicago 63 people were shot, 17 of them fatally, in various bouts of gunfire
One of the victims killed was seven-year-old Natalie Wallace
Overnight shootings in New York City left four people dead and 37 injured
NYPD said two officers were injured in the Bronx late Saturday after a bullet was fired through the windshield of their marked SUV
The violence continued into Sunday, with a 14-year-old child left in a 'serious condition' after being shot in the chest in Manhattan.
Memphis, Omaha and Cleveland also reported an alarming number of shootings
An investigation is also underway in North Carolina after a 74-year-old woman was killed by what police described as reckless 'celebratory gunfire'
New York City: 37 injured, 6 killed
Chicago: 63 injured, 17 killed
Baltimore: 8 injured, 1 killed
Detroit: 5 injured, 2 killed
Greenville: 8 injured, 2 killed
Memphis: 4 injured, 1 killed
Omaha: 8 injured
Cleveland: 4 injured
St. Louis: 1 injured
Philadelphia: 5 dead, 14 hurt
Muh "Black Lives Matter":
Muh " White Privledge"
Muh " Confederate Stautes"
Muh "MOAR money for inner cities"
I ask the question again: When do Black lives start mattering to black people?
frick BLM and all you hyprocites that support this bullshite.
At least 27 people were killed in shootings in cities across the US during Fourth of July celebrations on Saturday
In Chicago 63 people were shot, 17 of them fatally, in various bouts of gunfire
One of the victims killed was seven-year-old Natalie Wallace
Overnight shootings in New York City left four people dead and 37 injured
NYPD said two officers were injured in the Bronx late Saturday after a bullet was fired through the windshield of their marked SUV
The violence continued into Sunday, with a 14-year-old child left in a 'serious condition' after being shot in the chest in Manhattan.
Memphis, Omaha and Cleveland also reported an alarming number of shootings
An investigation is also underway in North Carolina after a 74-year-old woman was killed by what police described as reckless 'celebratory gunfire'
New York City: 37 injured, 6 killed
Chicago: 63 injured, 17 killed
Baltimore: 8 injured, 1 killed
Detroit: 5 injured, 2 killed
Greenville: 8 injured, 2 killed
Memphis: 4 injured, 1 killed
Omaha: 8 injured
Cleveland: 4 injured
St. Louis: 1 injured
Philadelphia: 5 dead, 14 hurt
Muh "Black Lives Matter":
Muh " White Privledge"
Muh " Confederate Stautes"
Muh "MOAR money for inner cities"
I ask the question again: When do Black lives start mattering to black people?
frick BLM and all you hyprocites that support this bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 7/5/20 at 7:39 pm to 14&Counting
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ask the equation again: When do Black lives start mattering to black people:
That’s the most ignorant statement I’ve read In this thread.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 7:43 pm to Mobtro
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look at this guy
Tell me where I'm wrong
Posted on 7/5/20 at 7:46 pm to Bear88
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I live in a small town and have taught at a 100% minority school for 24 years
I salute you. Being a teacher is a difficult job that is not always rewarded, fairly.
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A lot of kids from all races are just getting this IDGAF. attitude these days regardless of parent values
That's what makes this a difficult subject to grasp. The nurture vs nature debate is not always the answer. My parents split, and because of my father's continual TDYs, and despite her history of drug abuse and fraud we were sent to live with our mother in the projects. We lived with her for three years before our father took us, permanently. We were each given an exemplary example of what a great parent does to support his family and community. However, all four of my brothers have been to federal and/or state prison. I don't believe that any of us were shown any more love or attention than the others, it was just a conscious decision that each of us made to follow our own paths. Three of those brothers are still losers, while my younger brother, since being released, is taking care of his children and has become a positive affirmation of what adequate use of the prison education programs, the prison trade programs, and community support can do to lessen recidivism.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 7:50 pm to 14&Counting
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Tell me where I'm wrong
You really expect me to debate and debunk your ideas after you responded with “cry more bitch”? I’m too old for this shite bruh.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 7:57 pm to Mobtro
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You really expect me to debate and debunk your ideas after you responded with “cry more bitch”
Yeah I do actually.......Don't bitch out........if you think I am wrong put it out there.....Otherwise you can kindly STFU
Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:01 pm to 14&Counting
One thing about me, I don’t mind having an intelligent conversation or debate with someone online. Once certain lines gets crossed I’m done, because I’m not a keyboard warrior. I don’t argue or go back and forth with anybody on the internet. I like face to face action.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:07 pm to Bear88
Well we did return to the subject and had some productive conversation for a little while.
I honestly think 24 hour news of all kinds, social media and cell phones has damaged society as a whole in regards to communication and understanding, but especially with young people. I always laugh when somebody says something on twitter and a young person runs up to me with saying can you believe this. They always look confused when I say, things said on twitter don't matter, go actually do something productive.
I honestly think 24 hour news of all kinds, social media and cell phones has damaged society as a whole in regards to communication and understanding, but especially with young people. I always laugh when somebody says something on twitter and a young person runs up to me with saying can you believe this. They always look confused when I say, things said on twitter don't matter, go actually do something productive.
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:11 pm to calgrad
The programs are the problems. One can statistically verify that welfare destroyed the black community.
It is just a fact of our fallen world that giving things to
people for nothing has three negative effects. 1) It steals dignity. No one likes to be on the handout dole. 2) It engenders laziness. Just try paying anyone BEFORE they finish the job and see what likely happens. They don’t do as good of a job and often don’t even finish. That’s just human nature. 3) It builds a sense of entitlement and bitterness.
We are in the mess we are in currently because the government started handing out money.
Marvin Olasky has written a book that describes how the churches traditionally were the ones to handle caring for the poor and how they did a markedly better job than the government has.
Government is not the answer, it is the problem.
It is just a fact of our fallen world that giving things to
people for nothing has three negative effects. 1) It steals dignity. No one likes to be on the handout dole. 2) It engenders laziness. Just try paying anyone BEFORE they finish the job and see what likely happens. They don’t do as good of a job and often don’t even finish. That’s just human nature. 3) It builds a sense of entitlement and bitterness.
We are in the mess we are in currently because the government started handing out money.
Marvin Olasky has written a book that describes how the churches traditionally were the ones to handle caring for the poor and how they did a markedly better job than the government has.
Government is not the answer, it is the problem.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:14 pm to Carlton
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I honestly think 24 hour news of all kinds, social media and cell phones has damaged society as a whole in regards to communication and understanding, but especially with young people.
I agree with this 100%. I’d also like to throw violent video games in there as well. I believe they desensitize young people.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:17 pm to LovetheLord
My experience may be the exception but many of these programs helped my family accomplish what we consider the American dream and I would say they also helped a somewhat significant number of people I have met in my life. Never have I felt more dignified than when I saw the success they helped me achieve or when I could see the positive impact I was able to have working in a program that changed a kids path.
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:18 pm to Mobtro
Ya'll just ignore him. He's made up his mind that Black people are the problem and that's it. I prefer to have an intelligent discussion and try and come up with some common ground and solutions we can use to work together to create positive change. I'm tired of the killings and of the protests and the same arguments since I was a kid. I'm about to be 54 years old. Why are we still having to face and debate this?
I'll tell you one thing I'm sick of and I keep seeing it. I am sick and tired of seeing these white people calling the cops on Black people for nothing. Like the woman in Central Park and the one who called the cops on a Black couple building a patio on their OWN HOME! And the one who called the cops on an 8 year AA girl selling water without a license. WTF is wrong with these people? They see a Black person doing something THEY don't like, they call the cops. IT's basically arrest them because they are black. And I'm going to stereotype them here, they all have one thing in common: they are all Yankees! What's the matter, you don't know how to be around Black people?
I'll tell you one thing I'm sick of and I keep seeing it. I am sick and tired of seeing these white people calling the cops on Black people for nothing. Like the woman in Central Park and the one who called the cops on a Black couple building a patio on their OWN HOME! And the one who called the cops on an 8 year AA girl selling water without a license. WTF is wrong with these people? They see a Black person doing something THEY don't like, they call the cops. IT's basically arrest them because they are black. And I'm going to stereotype them here, they all have one thing in common: they are all Yankees! What's the matter, you don't know how to be around Black people?
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