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re: Multiple victims shot at Riverchase Galleria

Posted on 7/5/20 at 12:04 pm to
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 12:04 pm to
But they do (most of whom take care of their children by the way) and I don't believe as a society we don't do everything we can to take care of the children who are lacking support who had no say in the matter and make them contributors to society. All that leads to is crime, abuse and spending millions to incarcerate and basically expansion of the problem.

I am all for sex education but most places around the country would not agree with that method of education provided in Colorado.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49680 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 12:13 pm to
I sure wish that I knew the answers to stop all of the violence and make everyone happy. A 7 year old girl and a 14 year old boy were shot and killed in Chicago yesterday. It’s senseless.

I wish that I had the answers
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15169 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 12:19 pm to
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Poor people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them. Colorado has been succesful in decreasing unwanted births through birth control and education.


This is a tone deaf and harsh point of view

Many of our players come from poverty.. should they have not been born just so you could feel better?

Children shouldn't be the ones having kids.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15169 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

I sure wish that I knew the answers to stop all of the violence and make everyone happy. A 7 year old girl and a 14 year old boy were shot and killed in Chicago yesterday. It’s senseless.

I wish that I had the answers


If we're going to announce killings why stop at only blacks?

Why not also highlight all killings from hispanic, white, etc?

In the end it's all senseless and it has nothing to do with race. It has to do with upbringing, economic class and education.
Posted by Carlton
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Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 12:25 pm to
All you can do is work to make society better the best way you know how, get involved where you can. There are no 100% solutions. Hopefully their family would do it but maybe a kid you work with one day decides to never point a gun at someone else if not in self defense because of your influence. Hopefully we will work to get weapons off the streets and protect children.
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 12:34 pm
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49680 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 12:37 pm to
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If we're going to announce killings why stop at only blacks


Why are you making the assumption that they are black? I don’t know what color they are and it doesn’t matter. My post didn’t mention anything about color, so stop projecting that shite towards me
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
5618 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 12:43 pm to
The “no 100% solutions“ statement is more important than you may realize. Our founders knew that we could not have a utopia- that there will always be avaricious men - thus we would have to put the best systems in place to check wrong doing as well as to use man’s Fallen nature as a check to one another, eg, free-market capitalism.

If men were angels, we wouldn’t need government. There is not and cannot be a perfect government this side of heaven. Therefore, people need to cease and desist with the griping that something is not perfect. Something can be imperfect and still be the best.

Good chatting with you and Cal.
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 12:46 pm to
Cobrasize has always focused on the child shot at the mall in this thread and the violent crime against children. I appreciate his concern and contribution. We don't always agree (which is the case with me for most people ) but he is a good dude at least from my interactions.
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 12:50 pm to
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Therefore, people need to cease and desist with the griping that something is not perfect. Something can be imperfect and still be the best.


Throughout my life experience I find people typically only ask for improvement or progress and get this response a lot. Good chatting with you too.
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49680 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 12:56 pm to
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Cobrasize has always focused on the child shot at the mall in this thread and the violent crime against children. I appreciate and his concern in general. We don't always agree (which is the case with me for most people ) but he is a good dude at least from my interactions.


Thank you. I have a soft spot for kids and animals. Violent crimes against kids is tragedy and has nothing to do with race or any political crap. Those kids being killed, regardless of color, are the future of America. They all had the potential to go forward in their lives and do something great. It’s just awful


I’m going to add that I hate when the media announces, “white man killed, or black man killed” and “suspect is a white male in custody or suspect is a black male in custody”. Why can’t they leave color out of it? There is no significance to adding race.
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 1:01 pm
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18301 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 1:28 pm to
Sorry just the way I was raised. Keep in mind, I used to live in Elyton Projects and seeing three generations of the same family in the PJs can disillusion someone.

The welfare state has enabled countless people to accept mediocrity as a way of life.
Posted by Canyon16
Muscle Shoals
Member since Nov 2017
3685 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 1:55 pm to
3 shootings in the last couple years at the Galleria, with an 8 year old losing his life on Friday.
Probably need security at all entries to the mall, checking, making sure no scumbag coming in with a deadly weapon.
Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
1977 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 3:46 pm to
That would probably be considered racist.
Posted by paul02085
Shelby, Al (Lay Lake)
Member since Sep 2006
1325 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 5:26 pm to
Or supporting law and order.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42019 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 5:40 pm to
Hoover PD is providing an update on the shooting at the Galleria on Friday. Suspect Montez Moses Coleman was taken into custody shortly after the shooting. He has now been charged with capital murder. They believe five men got into a verbal altercation in the food court at the Galleria, and Coleman pulled a gun and started shooting.

AL.com
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 5:57 pm
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13141 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 6:06 pm to
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The solution to the problem cannot be solved with programs, etc as much as the fix happens with the family Parents must teach their kids right from wrong, quit playing the victim, and quite blaming others. It won’t be solved overnight, but I can assure you it will help in the long run



Yep, there are good and bad in all races and it will ONLY get fixed one family at a time . Not sure that is practical in today’s climate , but it is the only way to stop this
Posted by Carlton
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Member since Feb 2016
11646 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 6:09 pm to
This story is madness. You get into argument across a mall and open fire killing a child. Appalling and Despicable.
Posted by Carlton
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Member since Feb 2016
11646 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 6:11 pm to
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Yep, there are good and bad in all races and it will ONLY get fixed one family at a time . Not sure that is practical in today’s climate , but it is the only way to stop this


What do we do with children with little or no family structure? With absent or bad parents and poor education. How do we help them? How do we prevent them from doing the same thing?
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 6:18 pm
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13141 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 6:16 pm to
What we are doing is not working ... I don’t have the answers . People have got to WANT to be a good parent, raise kids the right way , value education , etc... you can’t legislate that

Values are more important than any programs IMO
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 6:18 pm
Posted by Carlton
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11646 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 6:22 pm to
The programs that I have been in and a part of have worked and changed lives and gotten kids off the street. It is not the solution, programs can't save every child but that doesn't mean they don't work. Any child you help means you can possibly change an entire family tree and then hopefully it spreads. I agree we need family, responsible parents wanting to do the right thing but that alone is not a solution either. If this is the response then we will need to give up because nothing will work, we are done the cycle will forever perpetuate. I will not because I am the product of and have seen positive results when the resources are offered. You can learn values many places, it is best at home but you can get values in school, church, programs, sports etc.
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 6:40 pm
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