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re: Interesting stuff from the 2018 CFB Preview from Phil Steele
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:47 am to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:47 am to BamaGradinTn
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Derrick Henry significantly underperformed...until he didn't.
I vehemently disagree with CAbamafan on most things, and especially regarding his feelings towards Damien, however, Henry had an excellent year in 2014 as well.
the only season you could maybe argue(not really) that he "significantly underperformed" was his freshman year when he couldn't learn the playbook, but that is a very large stretch.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 8:50 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:55 am to Funky Tide 8
Yeah, Henry had a pitiful freshman season averaging 10.9 ypc. Really easy to bring down - especially in the Sugar Bowl
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:09 am to prevatt33
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Derrick Henry had a great Heisman year, particularly the second half of the season when Kiffin gave it to him 30 times a game.
This is exactly my point. What kind of season would Henry have had in 2014 if he was getting it 30 times a game? Possibly just as good as 2015.
Some backs get stronger and stronger as the game goes on, and as they get more touches. Lacy and Ingram were like that.
When you have freak athletes like Najee and Brian, they could very well be the same way.
Look at Auburn's backs. You could say they're overused, but they also tend to take over games in a way our backs never get the opportunity to.
I think there's value in splitting carries, but I also think there's value in riding one guy who's dominating.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:09 am to CAbamafan
I’m still salty over that Sugar Bowl. Oklahoma had no answer for Henry but Nussmeir just refused to put the game in his hands.
Harris is a really solid RB. He won’t break long runs or have some dynamic highlight clip but the guy has a motor. I think he wasn’t utilized enough last year and of course he suffered when defenses realized Hurts wasn’t a passing threat.
Harris is a really solid RB. He won’t break long runs or have some dynamic highlight clip but the guy has a motor. I think he wasn’t utilized enough last year and of course he suffered when defenses realized Hurts wasn’t a passing threat.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:13 am to CAbamafan
I am just trying to follow everything here. Henry was behind TJ Yeldon right? Isn't he the only freshman RB to rush for 1000 yards at Bama (Siran Stacy was a Juco)? He got that thousand splitting with Eddie Lacy. He was being heralded as possibly the best back we ever had coming out of his sophomore year. Could run, block, and catch out of the backfield and was selected higher in his draft than Henry. When did Yeldon become a bum. Drake was here as a change of pace back at the time too.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:22 am to CAbamafan
With the former WR coach now serving as OC, do you think any back will get 30 carries a game?
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:29 am to CAbamafan
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I think there's value in splitting carries, but I also think there's value in riding one guy who's dominating.
We rode Scarborough the last few games of the 2016 season, until he broke his foot in the 2nd half of the Clemson game. Harris for whatever reason either wasn't ready to fill in, or really wasn't given the opportunity. I think that's one reason he was underappreciated by some Bama fans last year. Many expected big things out of Bo, but then Harris actually had the better season and was the more reliable back for much of the season.
I think Damien Harris is the best back in the SEC heading into this season.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:33 am to Carlton
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I am just trying to follow everything here. Henry was behind TJ Yeldon right? Isn't he the only freshman RB to rush for 1000 yards at Bama (Siran Stacy was a Juco)? He got that thousand splitting witb Eddie Lacy. He was being heralded as possibly the best back we ever had coming out of his sophomore year. Could run, block, and catch out of the backfield and was selected higher in his draft than Henry. When did Yeldon become a bum. Drake was here as a change of pace back at the time.
You are 100 percent spot on here. Yeldon is another very underappreciated Alabama RB IMO.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:35 am to FairhopeTider
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He won’t break long runs
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:38 am to Funky Tide 8
Yeah, off the top of my head and not watching the video posted earlier in this thread, I can think of his runs in the Arkansas and A&M games where he broke long TD runs where he outran the defense. Want to say he had one in the Vandy game as well.
He did get caught a lot from behind in 2016, but he shook that knock on him last year.
He did get caught a lot from behind in 2016, but he shook that knock on him last year.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:04 am to Funky Tide 8
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You are 100 percent spot on here. Yeldon is another very underappreciated Alabama RB IMO.
Yeldon also made a number of preseason heisman watch list in 2014. I don't understand the Henry was blocked by lesser and injured player argument at all.
I don't get the long run argument against Harris either, even if you get caught from behind like Harris tended to in 2016 it is still a long run. He has had plenty of long runs the last 2 years.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 11:08 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:58 am to JJ27
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With the former WR coach now serving as OC, do you think any back will get 30 carries a game?
Nope. To be honest, I'm not sure what to expect.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:15 pm to Cobrasize
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To be honest, I'm not sure what to expect.
From Lindy's anonymous coaching comments a few months back:
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“He changed offensive coordinators and I think that will really help because Mike Locksley is more tuned into running the offense Nick wants… Locksley is an RPO guy. This wil be the job that gets Locksley a head job. The guy is sharp…
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/alabama-football-anonymous-coaches-comments-2018-jalen-hurts-tua-athlon-lindys/
Posted on 6/22/18 at 1:07 pm to Teague
Agree about Harris being underrated.
There’s so much talk about breakaway speed and not nearly enough about burst/acceleration - Damien’s burst plus his vision makes him a great back. In the NCG loss against Clemson I was begging for a pistol formation with Harris - give him time to read the blocks and a few steps to hit the seam hard, and give the defense a breather.
There’s so much talk about breakaway speed and not nearly enough about burst/acceleration - Damien’s burst plus his vision makes him a great back. In the NCG loss against Clemson I was begging for a pistol formation with Harris - give him time to read the blocks and a few steps to hit the seam hard, and give the defense a breather.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 2:07 pm to CAbamafan
The older, veteran players at nearly every position are trusted because they don't make as many mental mistakes, usually hold on to the ball well, don't miss reads, etc. Its not some mis-placed loyalty thing. Saban has cultivated a system that puts out great running backs annually and its largely because he doesn't uses the rb by committee system. Keeps the backs fresh and their carry count low.
Henry IMO got too many touches his senior year because we were thin at the position. "Bursting onto the national scene" doesn't matter - winning games and championships matter.
To say nothing of Alvin Kamara - what does this have to do with anything? Saban doesn't makes excuses for talented players because the whole process is predicated on people buying in and doing what is best for the team. If a super talented player doesn't make the field it is because that was what is best for the team and program moving forward.
ETA: Najee may very well be the "better" rb, but he is a second year player and Harris is a fourth year, experienced RB who is an incredibly efficient runner. I'd imagine the carry split to be about even for them. With the other guys getting in to spell them with fresh legs and maybe 3rd down work or something like that.
Henry IMO got too many touches his senior year because we were thin at the position. "Bursting onto the national scene" doesn't matter - winning games and championships matter.
To say nothing of Alvin Kamara - what does this have to do with anything? Saban doesn't makes excuses for talented players because the whole process is predicated on people buying in and doing what is best for the team. If a super talented player doesn't make the field it is because that was what is best for the team and program moving forward.
ETA: Najee may very well be the "better" rb, but he is a second year player and Harris is a fourth year, experienced RB who is an incredibly efficient runner. I'd imagine the carry split to be about even for them. With the other guys getting in to spell them with fresh legs and maybe 3rd down work or something like that.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 2:09 pm to Prodigal
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There’s so much talk about breakaway speed and not nearly enough about burst/acceleration
So true.
It's funny to hear folks talking about straight line speed and NFL interest regarding a player, when the 10 yard split and cone drill performance is much more important than 40 time at the combine for RBs. Sure the 40 yard dash is a sexier drill for fans, and there certainly is a minimum for scouts - you can't be slow - but burst and acceleration are at the absolute top of the list of traits NFL scouts look for.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 2:14 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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The older, veteran players at nearly every position are trusted because they don't make as many mental mistakes, usually hold on to the ball well, don't miss reads, etc. Its not some mis-placed loyalty thing.
So very true.
A RBs playing time at Alabama is frequently more about how well he plays without the ball, not with it. But a large percentage of any football fanbase is oblivious to seeing or trying to see the game at this level. If you watch football and only watch the ball, you're really missing out on a large part of what makes this sport so great - it's like ultra-violent chess with live, absolutely jacked pieces.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 2:38 pm to prevatt33
K. Goode had a 6.7 YPC avg his Fr season and then had the knee injury in the opener his Soph year.
He was really going to be something special before he blew that knee out.
He was really going to be something special before he blew that knee out.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 3:54 pm to Crimson Wraith
D. Harris is underrated. He reminds me some of Ken Darby who was a very good back during the dark Shula years. His numbers would have been outstanding with the players we have now. The knock against Harris is he doesn't really have the "wow" factor that backs like Ingram, Richardson, Lacy, Henry and others had. He's not that big back you can give the ball to 25 times a game when the offense bogs down and trust him to grind out 150 yards and 2-3 TD's. But combined with our other backs, it's a lethal combo. I wouldn't trade our RB stable for any in the nation.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 7:06 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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I'd imagine the carry split to be about even for them. With the other guys getting in to spell them with fresh legs and maybe 3rd down work or something like that.
Don't sleep on my boy, BRob! Dude's gonna show out this year.
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