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re: Interesting stuff from the 2018 CFB Preview from Phil Steele

Posted on 6/21/18 at 7:38 pm to
Posted by TideSaint
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 7:38 pm to
Speaking of the Pussy Slayer, how is Slade liking the 4th Quarter program?
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:02 pm to
I can't help you, friend. I disagree with nearly everything you said, including scouts' opinion of him. And the Heisman thing is related to Bama splitting carries up so much. No Bama RB is going to be on any Heisman lists based on our recent carry distribution, particularly with Hurts taking a bunch of carries, too.

But you feel strongly about Harris' shortcomings, and many of us feel strongly about him being an excellent RB.

It's ok to disagree.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 8:12 pm
Posted by prevatt33
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:11 pm to
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Speaking of the Pussy Slayer


Officially requesting an explanation.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:12 pm to
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why NFL scouts aren't chomping at the bit


Who gives a frick what NFL scouts think about him? Should Shaun Dion-Hamilton and Levi Wallace sat the bench last year because scouts weren't chomping at the bit for them? There a tons of great college players that just don't project as well to the pros. That doesn't make them worse college players than guys who do.

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he gets no Heisman buzz


Probably because our coaches wisely split the carries up because they know we have a ton of good halfbacks, and we had a QB that was much better running than passing.

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So please, what possible explanation is there other than him just not being overwhelmingly impressive?


What's the explanation for bemoaning a halfback that has averaged over 7 yards per touch the past two seasons?
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 8:22 pm
Posted by prevatt33
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:26 pm to
Louisville's starting QB is named Puma Pass.

Seriously.
Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:43 pm to
I'm not at all bemoaning him. It's just that it seems most posters here think he's hands down our best back, and just as good as Mark Ingram, and I completely disagree.
I don't think he's ever been our best back, and I don't think he will this year either. That's not to say he's not a great, really effective college back. I'm certainly not rooting against him. He's made a lot of great plays for us.

As to "who cares what the NFL thinks of him?" It says a lot about how good he really is. Every single one of our #1 backs under Saban has been drafted in the first 2 rounds. Damien very likely won't be, whereas Najee absolutely will be. It says something about his game when nfl scouts aren't exactly drooling over him.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 8:51 pm
Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:48 pm to
Also why is everyone so interested in white knighting for Damien? Nobody's saying he's not good. I'm just of the opinion that BRob and Najee are insane talents who really shouldn't be taking a back seat to Damien Harris - a future 3rd to 5th round pick
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 8:49 pm
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:48 pm to
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Officially requesting an explanation.

This is the nickname that Saint gave Slade Bolden. He's a good looking kid and looked like a playa during the championship parade

JJ is his uncle and gives us some inside info about things, whenever he can.
Posted by stomp
Bama
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:56 pm to
Is it on newsstands yet?
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60274 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:00 pm to
It’s a monster, but he’s loving T Town. Dean’s List first semester.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:04 pm to
Can you tell if he's put on any size since he's been in TTown?
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:05 pm to
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It says something about his game when nfl scouts aren't exactly drooling over him.


I don't think it does say much about his college ability. Sony Michel, Rashaad Penny, Nick Chubb, Ronald Jones, and Kerryon Johnson were all selected higher in this past years draft than Henry was in his.

Chubb is the only one of those backs that is the same conversation with Henry in regards to college career. I guess you could say Penny is too, but he played at a lower level.

You're right that Najee has more athletic potential than Damien, but when a guy averages over seven yards a carry, athletic potential doesn't matter.

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Also why is everyone so interested in white knighting for Damien?


It's just that this is the
second year in a row that people want to bench Damien despite the fact that he's been our most productive back.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 9:10 pm
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:06 pm to
I don’t think that’s their goal for him. He’s already 200. Speed is the plan I believe.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49682 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:08 pm to
I'm glad that he's happy down there and doing well. I know that it's not always an easy transition
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:25 pm to
I have the digital version. I dunno.
Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
1167 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:43 am to
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It's just that this is the second year in a row that people want to bench Damien despite the fact that he's been our most productive back.

I don't want to bench him. I'm just concerned that we could potentially be holding back Najee or Robinson from exploding onto the national scene because we "have" to get Damien his senior touches. For example, Henry is perhaps the best back we've ever had. He didn't get adequate touches until his Junior year. We sort of wasted his talent for 2 years. To say nothing of Alvin Kamara. Saban does this a lot, because he refuses to replace starters with younger guys.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 1:25 am
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26957 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:54 am to
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Damien will never be any of those things


Never say never. For what you would expect from the national high school career yardage record holder, Derrick Henry significantly underperformed...until he didn't.
Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
1167 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 1:23 am to
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Derrick Henry significantly underperformed...until he didn't.

*Derrick Henry was kept on the bench behind lesser, sometimes hampered backs, until he wasn't. Due to this bullshite, he, like Tua, considered transferring
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 1:40 am to
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Henry is perhaps the best back we've ever had.


You've got a bad case of misremembering the past-itis.

Derrick Henry had a great Heisman year, particularly the second half of the season when Kiffin gave it to him 30 times a game. However, in years prior, he was routinely derided by large portions of our fanbase for being tackled too easily, and the criticism was fairly justified. For a big man, he was easy to bring down for at least the first half of his Bama career.

He developed like any other player, and the notion that he was otherworldly during his entire career at Bama is just plain false.

I don't expect you to agree with these facts nor do I expect you to react like a reasonable person - you obviously have quite an agenda in this thread and my words, no matter how true, will not dissuade you.

But you are spewing all sorts of wrong all over this thread. I appreciate and thank you for your participation (seriously), but you are overly-hyperbolic (I'd know), grossly simplifying reality, and flat out changing history to fit your agenda.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 1:47 am to
Also, it seems by your wording in several posts that you are much more focused on individual accolades for certain players than winning football games.

Player awards and recognition are great and all, but at Alabama, success is measured in Championships. Full stop.

I'll keep on trusting the guy who's responsible for not only bringing in and developing the kids your gagging for, but who's won 5 of the last 9 Nattys.

I'm all for dissenting opinion, but you're embarassing yourself.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 1:48 am
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