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I’m just gonna go out and say it.. why were Roydell and Jase starting last year?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:36 am
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:36 am
It’s obvious that Justice and Jam are true RB1s.
Jase and Roydell had moments, but they are role backs.
Jase and Roydell had moments, but they are role backs.
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:37 am to Milticket
CNS's seniority program.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:44 am to Milticket
Maybe pass blocking?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:45 am to Milticket
You say this like it's some fresh take none of us discussed ad nauseum last season. 
It was either Saban giving them every chance to put film out, Haynes and Miller being atrocious at ball security and/or pass protection, or a little of both. Because yes it was obvious last season that the game breakers were on the bench. I don't think you'll get much argument there.
It was either Saban giving them every chance to put film out, Haynes and Miller being atrocious at ball security and/or pass protection, or a little of both. Because yes it was obvious last season that the game breakers were on the bench. I don't think you'll get much argument there.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:48 am to Robot Santa
I just don’t buy the pass pro argument, because that’s part of being ranked the best RB in the country.
Justice and Jam are as physical as any RB out of highschool could be when they were freshman. They both seem intelligent too.
I think Saban did have a flaw with playing seniority over talent.
Justice and Jam are as physical as any RB out of highschool could be when they were freshman. They both seem intelligent too.
I think Saban did have a flaw with playing seniority over talent.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:54 am to Milticket
Justice got injured early in the year and supposedly had trouble in pass pro
Jam wasn’t necessarily more effective than either last year, just has a higher ceiling
Jam wasn’t necessarily more effective than either last year, just has a higher ceiling
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:08 am to Milticket
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why were Roydell and Jase starting last year?
Depth. If Jam is the lead back in the spring you risk Roydell and/or Jase transferring out and now you're thin at the position. A young guy is more likely to stick around and bide his time if he's clearly next in line. An old guy that sees the writing on the wall is more likely to bolt- which is what happened with Roydell.
It's been that way for years with Saban. When all the chips were in the most talented guy got the carries (Najee against Georgia, Henry against OU, Justice against Michigan) but more often than not B talent and A experience got the nod over A+ talent and C experience at the running back position.
I also think Jase was a decent back- he had some long runs in his career and he caught the ball well. Roydell always baffled me, he got tackled by one defender a lot and didn't have great speed
ETA: Should also add I'll always root for Roydell Williams unless he ends up at Auburn or Tennessee. I think he's a proper gump and don't fault him for leaving
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 11:16 am
Posted on 9/3/24 at 3:02 pm to Milticket
I ask this for B Robinson too. Had better options. But nope run him 35 times a game
Posted on 9/3/24 at 3:05 pm to Jasharts77
Are you saying Brian Robinson wasn't the best option and he was run too many times?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 3:14 pm to Milticket
Pass pro is a big thing in modern offenses - college and pro.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 4:00 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Pass pro is a big thing in modern offenses - college and pro.
Yep. And Jam absolutely whiffed picking up delayed blitz in the game Saturday so I imagine he was a lot worse at it last season.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 4:40 pm to RollTide33
We keep having this conversation on the board, and it's fairly straightforward -- at least to me.
Nick Saban valued doing your job correctly on every single play above all else. If you didn't know or couldn't perform your assignment to his standard every time, you were not going to start or play meaningful minutes.
Didn't matter if you were the most talented position player in the history of football, didn't matter if you were a can't-miss transfer or all-world freshman ... if you didn't know and do your assignment in practice, you weren't seeing the field.
We had some true unicorns come through the program during his tenure -- Minkah, Devonta, Jeudy, Ruggs, Hightower, McClain, Barrett Jones, and others -- who could almost immediately pick up their assignments. As a result, they started very early in their careers.
But expecting talent alone to get you (or your favorite player) on the field wasn't a recipe for success. Saban preferred players who knew what to do and did their best over players who were ultra-talented but who couldn't or wouldn't do it the right way on every play. And that usually meant more experienced players started over those who might have had more talent.
Now, as to why he didn't always hold staff members to the same standard (coughGoldingcoughO'Brien), your guess is as good as mine.
Nick Saban valued doing your job correctly on every single play above all else. If you didn't know or couldn't perform your assignment to his standard every time, you were not going to start or play meaningful minutes.
Didn't matter if you were the most talented position player in the history of football, didn't matter if you were a can't-miss transfer or all-world freshman ... if you didn't know and do your assignment in practice, you weren't seeing the field.
We had some true unicorns come through the program during his tenure -- Minkah, Devonta, Jeudy, Ruggs, Hightower, McClain, Barrett Jones, and others -- who could almost immediately pick up their assignments. As a result, they started very early in their careers.
But expecting talent alone to get you (or your favorite player) on the field wasn't a recipe for success. Saban preferred players who knew what to do and did their best over players who were ultra-talented but who couldn't or wouldn't do it the right way on every play. And that usually meant more experienced players started over those who might have had more talent.
Now, as to why he didn't always hold staff members to the same standard (coughGoldingcoughO'Brien), your guess is as good as mine.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 4:43 pm to Milticket
That’s a good question for Gillespie, but I doubt we will ever find out the answer.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 4:47 pm to Sauron
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Nick Saban valued doing your job correctly on every single play above all else. If you didn't know or couldn't perform your assignment to his standard every time, you were not going to start or play meaningful minutes.
Which is why the starting center debacle of 2023 will remain the biggest mystery of all
Posted on 9/3/24 at 9:14 pm to Che Boludo
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Which is why the starting center debacle of 2023 will remain the biggest mystery of all
And the alternative was everyone’s favorite punching bag prior to Seth replacing him a few years ago. Fans will be fans, right?
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:50 am to Milticket
Jase is a damn good player and a true #1, but I always felt Jam and Justice were ready for prime time - and were better than Roydell. Late in the season, so did Saban.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:39 am to Milticket
There's not much separation between any of them imo except for Haynes because he has better top-end speed.
I don't have an issue with it. The last difference maker we had at RB was Jahmyr Gibbs and Najee before him.
Justice Haynes might turn out to be that good, but idk how anyone can say for sure that Jam Miller is better than Roydell or Jase. I'm not seeing it
I don't have an issue with it. The last difference maker we had at RB was Jahmyr Gibbs and Najee before him.
Justice Haynes might turn out to be that good, but idk how anyone can say for sure that Jam Miller is better than Roydell or Jase. I'm not seeing it
Posted on 9/4/24 at 3:40 am to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:Yup Roydell is a great gump and transferring was best for both parties.
ETA: Should also add I'll always root for Roydell Williams unless he ends up at Auburn or Tennessee. I think he's a proper gump and don't fault him for leaving
Pass pro and even the goat had flaws with seniority>talent. Just look at Dalcourt.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 7:48 am to Milticket
Because, as Jam and Justice have proven after week one, Roydell and Jase were better at picking up blitzes and protecting the QB in the pocket. Yes, it's true that Miller and Haynes are overall more talented backs. However, Williams and McClellan were more technically sound and did the "little things" a little bit better.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:11 am to RollTide1987
Maybe when you have Mark Ingram, Eddie Lacy, Kenyon Drake, Derrick Henry, TJ Yeldon, Josh Jacobs, Najee Harris, etc... you just think the next guy will eventually get there. That being said, I agree that B. Robinson, Jase Mclellan, Roydell were not near the RBs as the aforementioned.... we look to be in much better shape this year. It is fun to think about what would have happened had Justice been served against Michigan.... would Saban have still retired with another Natty under his belt? Probably so. Then we would have hired the coach we beat in the CFP Championship? LOL 
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 8:13 am
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