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re: DeBoer Says: Players Are Having Trouble Learning
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:44 am to UASports23
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:44 am to UASports23
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Not directed solely at anyone but some of y’all’s mental acuity is less than that of a retarded guy that would jerk it under the cafeteria table in High School.
I was thinking the same thing. The best word to describe this in my mind is...clueless.
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 12:05 pm to BasedCrimson
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In order to adjust to things they've never seen, they'd need to have a better grasp of the entire defensive playbook
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this is a perfectly logical explanation
Yep. We talked about this heading into the year. Leading into the Georgia game, what film does Kirby watch? Washington? South Alabama? Indiana?
He saw something he wasn't expecting at all and then after 30 minutes the guys in the booth were finally able to adjust.
Now we've got a half-season of full games on film for other coaches to plan against.
How much can we adjust with what we've already done and the players' experience level? How much are we banking to use later in a potential 17-game season?
DeBoer's offenses have a hot check that basically allows any playcall to work against any defense — can Milroe make the right check, the right read, and execute that throw (Pennix usually could)?
And none of this is a slight against the players. All of this is really, really difficult. It's why teams don't reinvent their entire scheme as a "surprise" every week, like some people mistakenly believe they can.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 12:07 pm to paperwasp
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DeBoer's offenses have a hot check that basically allows any playcall to work against any defense — can Milroe make the right check, the right read, and execute that throw (Pennix usually could)?
He seemed to do a good job of that against UGA and Vandy.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 12:12 pm to 1loyalbamafan
I prefer the Schrödinger Equation blitzes
Posted on 10/15/24 at 12:21 pm to JIB
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He seemed to do a good job of that against UGA and Vandy
I've been admittedly frustrated with him at times this season, but he's far exceeded my expectations in this offense.
It just wasn't built for him. It's like asking Lamar Jackson to run a Matthew Stafford offense — it won't work well, and Lamar is a 2x MVP.
Who knows what we're having to do to make it work. Jalen has really come a long way and gotten out of his comfort zone. But for the most part, it's working.
Same with the defense, I hope. Remember how we were flying to the ball and group tackling in the first few games?
Remember the Bill Oliver stuff we saw against Georgia and how utterly confused Beck looked at times?
I don't think that stuff disappeared. Teams just figured out how to neutralize it. Maybe we're mid-chess match and someone needs to make another move — whether that means players learning in-game adjustments better, guys feeling comfortable on an island so coaches can get more exotic again, coaches reevaluating recent counters to their schemes, etc.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 12:25 pm to paperwasp
I don't think teams have neutralized what Milroe can do. He made some good throws against USC but also made 3-4 really, really dumb plays. The line simply didn't block the edge rushers a few times, which is inexcusable.
The defense though... that's a bigger worry. Maybe teams have figured some stuff out, but nothing a team does on offense should impact swarming to the ball.
The defense though... that's a bigger worry. Maybe teams have figured some stuff out, but nothing a team does on offense should impact swarming to the ball.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 12:37 pm to JIB
Someone somewhere said this offensive concept is feast or famine anyway (IDK myself) because of its reliance on explosive plays, and I think with our new pin-and-pull OL style our lineman are probably too big to effectively pound the ball like he wants to. We're seeing explosive plays that are set up, but not the old school pulling-guard trap plays that have the entire DL demoralized by the fourth quarter.
Defensively I have no idea what's going on. It does seem to be trending towards coaching, which I hate to see. But there's still a lot of football left.
One thing I wish we would do is stop expounding on our defensive philosophies to the media for 30 minutes the week before a game. At first I thought it was refreshing to hear, but now I'm wondering if the Saban-rule about coaches talking wasn't a pretty decent idea.
Defensively I have no idea what's going on. It does seem to be trending towards coaching, which I hate to see. But there's still a lot of football left.
One thing I wish we would do is stop expounding on our defensive philosophies to the media for 30 minutes the week before a game. At first I thought it was refreshing to hear, but now I'm wondering if the Saban-rule about coaches talking wasn't a pretty decent idea.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 1:30 pm to paperwasp
Scheming aside. The issue that bothers and should bother any Bama fan is:
1.) Situational Awareness
2.) Football Fundamentals
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1.) Situational Awareness
2.) Football Fundamentals
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 1:36 pm to BasedCrimson
Reasonableness has no place here sir.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 1:57 pm to cajunbama
Football is obviously a game of downs. All games come down to a few plays.
- If you take out a handful of penalties. (2x Roughing the Passer (Vandy/SC), Illegal Substitution (Vandy PR),and Germie DPI,etc
- Germie lays down and doesn’t score TD (SC)
- Milroe doesn’t TO ball before Halftime (SC)
- Milroe doesn’t take safety (SC)
- UGA doesn’t have the unfortunate goal line INT
- Bama D doesn’t drop multiple picks (UGA)
That’s 9 plays that has basically defined the season. If those 9 plays go the opposite way. We are sitting at #1 with the last three games winning by multiple scores.
On the bright side, all of this is avoidable and we can clean it up.
Unfortunately, we screw up about three plays a game at critical times.
- If you take out a handful of penalties. (2x Roughing the Passer (Vandy/SC), Illegal Substitution (Vandy PR),and Germie DPI,etc
- Germie lays down and doesn’t score TD (SC)
- Milroe doesn’t TO ball before Halftime (SC)
- Milroe doesn’t take safety (SC)
- UGA doesn’t have the unfortunate goal line INT
- Bama D doesn’t drop multiple picks (UGA)
That’s 9 plays that has basically defined the season. If those 9 plays go the opposite way. We are sitting at #1 with the last three games winning by multiple scores.
On the bright side, all of this is avoidable and we can clean it up.
Unfortunately, we screw up about three plays a game at critical times.
This post was edited on 10/15/24 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 10/15/24 at 3:56 pm to Bear88
What is a growing pain? Getting dominated by USF for 55 minutes and a few overthrows from a blowout? A game at Wisconsin that could have bene very different without an early injury? The second half against Georgia? Domination from Vanderbilt and total lack of adjustment from the defense? Almost giving the game away to South Carolina?
Not to mention the QB is playing like his old self, we have no run game, veteran players are losing their shite on the field. At some point we have to consider there are systemic issues that can't be chalked up as growing pains.
Not to mention the QB is playing like his old self, we have no run game, veteran players are losing their shite on the field. At some point we have to consider there are systemic issues that can't be chalked up as growing pains.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 5:13 pm to UASports23
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jerk it under the cafeteria table
Don't knock it till you've tried it
Posted on 10/15/24 at 5:15 pm to WW
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What is a growing pain? Getting dominated by USF for 55 minutes and a few overthrows from a blowout? A game at Wisconsin that could have bene very different without an early injury? The second half against Georgia? Domination from Vanderbilt and total lack of adjustment from the defense? Almost giving the game away to South Carolina? Not to mention the QB is playing like his old self, we have no run game, veteran players are losing their shite on the field. At some point we have to consider there are systemic issues that can't be chalked up as growing pains.
Some of yall are just hell bent on being miserable
Posted on 10/15/24 at 5:21 pm to UASports23
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The issue that bothers and should bother any Bama fan is:
1.) Situational Awareness
2.) Football Fundamentals
This…100%.
Before the season, I thought we’d go 9-3 this year due to transition issues that were inevitable when you have a brand new staff. But the lack of situational awareness was completely unexpected and has nothing to do with transition.
DeBoer literally said in his press conference that he thought the worst possible outcome of calling timeout with about 10 seconds left in 1H would be a sack with the clock running out. I honestly think his brain thinks so positively, that he doesn’t contemplate the list of cons fully in a pros/cons list.
Hoping DeBoer will at least listen to someone on staff that may be more of a realist or pessimist rather than an eternal optimist, or we’re going to have a lot more bumps in the road.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 6:19 pm to harmonics
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Don't knock it till you've tried it
If you ain't knockin' you ain't do it right.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 6:35 pm to WW
People said the same thing with Ray Perkins and Gene Stallings first years. It happens.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 6:52 pm to BasedCrimson
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Let's all calm down
I agree, but I’ve tried this approach with my wife and haven’t had success yet. Surprisingly it seems to have an opposite effect.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:39 pm to UASports23
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:10 pm to WW
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What is a growing pain?
New coaches and players adjusting to the day to day culture in the building and at practices , coaches coming into a new conference for many, getting to know each young man on the team or how to get the most out of each player. New systems on the field and off (discipline, nutrition , S&C , team meetings) . I could probably think of ten or twelve more if I tried but for anyone to think we were going to pick right up from 2020 ( even Saban couldn’t ) is really being unfair or naive to this staff
ETA- and don’t forget , Deboer jumped at the chance to come to Bama when I am not convinced many good coaches wanted that pressure but he did. He is a great tactician IMO . People just don’t need to compare him to Saban or we will be looking for coaches every few years and sink into mediocrity
This post was edited on 10/15/24 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:37 pm to WW
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What is a growing pain? Getting dominated by USF for 55 minutes and a few overthrows from a blowout?
USF dominated Saban for most of the game last year as well...
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A game at Wisconsin that could have bene very different without an early injury?
You mean like the Texas game in 2022?
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The second half against Georgia?
How'd the second half against a 4-8 Arkansas team go last year?
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Domination from Vanderbilt and total lack of adjustment from the defense? Almost giving the game away to South Carolina?
It's almost as bad as relying on a miracle play to beat a 6-7 Auburn team that was blown out by New Mexico State the prior week...
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Not to mention the QB is playing like his old self, we have no run game, veteran players are losing their shite on the field. At some point we have to consider there are systemic issues that can't be chalked up as growing pains.
Yeah, systemic issues that Deboer inherited...
This post was edited on 10/15/24 at 9:39 pm
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