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re: Class of 2027 Football Recruiting
Posted on 6/20/26 at 11:31 am to Diego Ricardo
Posted on 6/20/26 at 11:31 am to Diego Ricardo
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If I weren’t an alum, I’d probably leave the sidewalk.
Same. If I didn't have the personal connection I did to Alabama I truly would not give a shite anymore. Playing for Alabama doesn't matter to 75% of the roster. Same goes for any other program. Maximizing playing time and money is all that matters to them. And I get that loyalty is a two way street, which is a fact that has escaped many, many coaches and administrators over the years, but broadly speaking it has never been anything close to what we are currently seeing from the players. frick all these guys playing for 4 different schools and then filing lawsuits to get 7 years of eligibility.
This post was edited on 6/20/26 at 11:32 am
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Posted on 6/20/26 at 11:43 am to Tide or Die87
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Didnt use that logic with QB
Elijah Haven is an elite QB. If you have the number 1 qb in the nation wanting to come, you take him and figure out the rest later.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 5:11 pm to phaz
Retention would imply loyalty between both the school and player.
But honestly it feels like it's the player just getting more development time at the cost of Bama NIL so that they can farm themselves out to higher bidders for the "moneyball" Junior/Senior year. (Think Texas/OSU, etc).
But honestly it feels like it's the player just getting more development time at the cost of Bama NIL so that they can farm themselves out to higher bidders for the "moneyball" Junior/Senior year. (Think Texas/OSU, etc).
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:23 pm to Bobby4Bama
Depends on character of recruit. Kalen has a type.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 10:02 pm to Sandkhan
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Elijah Haven is an elite QB. If you have the number 1 qb in the nation wanting to come, you take him and figure out the rest later.
Going to need to figure it out or he’ll get antsy
This post was edited on 6/20/26 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 6/21/26 at 10:44 am to RollTide4Ever
Im not worried about Recruiting.
DeBoer has put multiple 3 and 4 stars into the NFL.
DeBoer has put multiple 3 and 4 stars into the NFL.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 10:47 am to crimsoncoded94
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Im not worried about Recruiting.
DeBoer has put multiple 3 and 4 stars into the NFL.
It’s possible to win without a roster completely loaded with blue chips but it sure is easier to sustain winning if you are lousy with blue chips. Saban had a process but step 1 was identify and sign great talent.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 12:59 pm to Diego Ricardo
Think Deboer has done well in recruiting if I am not mistaken … don’t think talent will be an issue 
Posted on 6/21/26 at 2:33 pm to Bear88
Sounds like WR Cedrick Simmons from Southside (Selma, AL) commits Tuesday. Grew up an Alabama fans and has a lot of Alabama fans in his family per my guy that coaches in Selma. Undersized but I think this guy can produce in time. He’s built like a RB.
Alabama and Auburn are the final 2.
Alabama and Auburn are the final 2.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 2:35 pm to Bear88
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Think Deboer has done well in recruiting if I am not mistaken … don’t think talent will be an issue
Yeah, I think people are making too big of a deal about mid-June recruiting standings. Alabama usually starts making a push around this point through the early signing day.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:19 pm to Diego Ricardo
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:26 pm to TideSaint
I get the feeling we're about to start seeing this ramp up. It's not going to be a tip-top HS recruiting class but we're going to get a small quantity, high quality.
Also possible that they intend on playing the portal a tiny bit more to fill in gaps and try to win a title in 2027. Reality is this is a rebuild year and people need to get their mind right.
Also possible that they intend on playing the portal a tiny bit more to fill in gaps and try to win a title in 2027. Reality is this is a rebuild year and people need to get their mind right.
This post was edited on 6/21/26 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:34 pm to Diego Ricardo
Ramp up with who?
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:44 pm to Tide or Die87
We just signed a guy with a UGA offer...
Posted on 6/21/26 at 4:17 pm to Diego Ricardo
Okay so here is my cope:
We need to get some positive momentum to hang on to the guys we've got and now is around the time Alabama social media/boards start fretting before a run of commits come in and all the sudden the class looks fine.
I don't think we're going to have the normal deluge we get though. My opinion is that we're saving money because we know this is the rebuild year where 8-4 to 10-2 is the W/L range and the safe CFP bid record (10-2) hinges on absolutely zero upsets and going 2-2 in the midseason hell run.
However, they like the roster and the VAST majority of the roster will have remaining eligibility past 2026 and fewer draft eligible juniors declare. Plus, our retention numbers have been much better than most schools.
To me, that means the roster management approach should be go light on prospects and spend money on fewer HSers. However, the likelihood that 2026 leaves the fanbase even more restless means that filling the gaps in the portal ahead of 2027 is going to be a must for the program. That is exactly what I think is going on now. We don't have the money to sign a top 5 HS school class and land known playmakers out of the portal too. The way our own roster is lining up, the relative weakness of the HS class in 2027, and the possibility that 2027 is DeBoer's first earnest shot at a contender means Alabama will actually play the portal this Winter in a way they have not to date.
Again, cope and also some of you cannot handle the idea that Alabama ain't likely winning it all in 2026...so I'm sure the downvotes are going to pile up.
We need to get some positive momentum to hang on to the guys we've got and now is around the time Alabama social media/boards start fretting before a run of commits come in and all the sudden the class looks fine.
I don't think we're going to have the normal deluge we get though. My opinion is that we're saving money because we know this is the rebuild year where 8-4 to 10-2 is the W/L range and the safe CFP bid record (10-2) hinges on absolutely zero upsets and going 2-2 in the midseason hell run.
However, they like the roster and the VAST majority of the roster will have remaining eligibility past 2026 and fewer draft eligible juniors declare. Plus, our retention numbers have been much better than most schools.
To me, that means the roster management approach should be go light on prospects and spend money on fewer HSers. However, the likelihood that 2026 leaves the fanbase even more restless means that filling the gaps in the portal ahead of 2027 is going to be a must for the program. That is exactly what I think is going on now. We don't have the money to sign a top 5 HS school class and land known playmakers out of the portal too. The way our own roster is lining up, the relative weakness of the HS class in 2027, and the possibility that 2027 is DeBoer's first earnest shot at a contender means Alabama will actually play the portal this Winter in a way they have not to date.
Again, cope and also some of you cannot handle the idea that Alabama ain't likely winning it all in 2026...so I'm sure the downvotes are going to pile up.
This post was edited on 6/21/26 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 6/21/26 at 10:58 pm to Diego Ricardo
I agree with a lot of what you said. I coached a long time (too long) at the D-1AA level in college and have been a HS coach ever since. I’ve had several players sign with Bama, and just about every other school in the conference over the past 7-8 seasons.
Colleges no longer need an 85 man roster where 30-40 of the underclassman were your future team like it was during the Saban/pre-NIL era.
You only need the VERY BEST 55 guys you can field each season. I LOVE the way the staff has built the roster with high school kids making up the core of the team and then plug holes with transfers instead of having a ridiculous amount of turnover every single season where you never have younger players developing bc your core is built around transfers.
CNS did NOT leave CKD the loaded roster that everyone assumed he did. His recruiting had fallen off for the last 2-3 classes prior to his retirement bc of age and more importantly NIL. I believe NIL is 100% the primary reason for CNS’s abrupt retirement, despite the other circumstances he stated.
It really began the year Jimbo and Texas A$M bought Shemar Turner, Shemar Stewart and Anthony Lucas away from Bama then shamelessly lied about it when CNS called Jimbo out in a press conference.
CNS was NEVER going to accept fielding a roster with anything below his standard. He’s the best recruiter CFB will ever see, and he das the handwriting on the wall that NIL was changing the game.
The roster CKD inherited in 2024 did not have a single RB that ever would’ve played on a typical CNS roster, Proctor was a 2nd year player and Tyler Booker had 1 season left….those were the only 2 lineman that were “Saban quality” on the entire roster. Then of course he inherited Milroe as the returning starter (I’m not even going to get into
that), along with a WR corps led by a 17 year old and a transfer from Washington. CNS knew that roster wasn’t in the same stratosphere as any before it.
CKD has rebuilt the roster back to having blue chip players at each position group:
QB: Russell/Thomalia/Haven
RB: Crowell/Dear/Brown
WR: Morgan/Brooks/Rogers/Gayles
TE: Sutter/Edwards
T: Michael Carroll/Cooley
T: Jackson Loyd/ Doughty
Edge: Justin Hill
DT: Nolan Wilson
4-tech: Jamarion Matthews
NT: London Simmons
LB: Xavier Griffin
LB: Duke Johnson
CB: Jordan Edmonds
CB: Dijon Lee
Nickel: Red Morgan
S: Ivan Taylor
S: Jireh Edwards
I ONLY listed players who were in these past two classes, and did not count transfers. I also obviously left off many really good players like Jonathon Beaman, Steve M, Chick McDonald, Dre Kirkpatrick Jr, several LB’s, OL, etc…
Those players I listed above are all the type/caliber that would play on a CNS roster from 2008-2022.
CKD has also RETAINED all of these guys (including the class he inherited), with guys like Hubbard, Pierre, Z Brown, etc…
Coach Womack (I had my doubts) has done a TREMENDOUS job with the defense….his 1st season they finished top10 in scoring (fewest pints allowed by Bama D since 2017), while forcing the 3rd most takeaways, and last year they were 2nd only behind OU for fewest yards allowed in the conference.
I give him LOADS of credit to adapting to a 3-4 Under Front when it seemed like he was going to be a 4-2-5 guy no matter what until he slowly transitioned after the Vandy debacle in Year 1. Bama Is 18-0 when the offense has scored 22 points or more in a game since CKD got here.
I think now CKD has the QB and WR’s he needs to run the caliber of offense he ran at UW that depends heavily on a vertical passing attack.
I know many will see this as an excuse, but with only 8 Seniors on this current roster, and the extremely high retention rate of the highly ranked players he has signed, I think the money is being spent to make sure all these highly ranked young guys who have elite talent stay on the roster and continue to develop.
Also, this years class was down across the board at every position group nationally and in-state. Next year is just the opposite…both nationally and the State of Alabama is loaded with talent next year.
I absolutely trust this staff and the job they have done putting this roster back together and I think both sides of the ball will perform at a top2-3 level in the conference this year l, not just the defense. Also, next years class will resemble the previous 3, not this years imo,
Colleges no longer need an 85 man roster where 30-40 of the underclassman were your future team like it was during the Saban/pre-NIL era.
You only need the VERY BEST 55 guys you can field each season. I LOVE the way the staff has built the roster with high school kids making up the core of the team and then plug holes with transfers instead of having a ridiculous amount of turnover every single season where you never have younger players developing bc your core is built around transfers.
CNS did NOT leave CKD the loaded roster that everyone assumed he did. His recruiting had fallen off for the last 2-3 classes prior to his retirement bc of age and more importantly NIL. I believe NIL is 100% the primary reason for CNS’s abrupt retirement, despite the other circumstances he stated.
It really began the year Jimbo and Texas A$M bought Shemar Turner, Shemar Stewart and Anthony Lucas away from Bama then shamelessly lied about it when CNS called Jimbo out in a press conference.
CNS was NEVER going to accept fielding a roster with anything below his standard. He’s the best recruiter CFB will ever see, and he das the handwriting on the wall that NIL was changing the game.
The roster CKD inherited in 2024 did not have a single RB that ever would’ve played on a typical CNS roster, Proctor was a 2nd year player and Tyler Booker had 1 season left….those were the only 2 lineman that were “Saban quality” on the entire roster. Then of course he inherited Milroe as the returning starter (I’m not even going to get into
that), along with a WR corps led by a 17 year old and a transfer from Washington. CNS knew that roster wasn’t in the same stratosphere as any before it.
CKD has rebuilt the roster back to having blue chip players at each position group:
QB: Russell/Thomalia/Haven
RB: Crowell/Dear/Brown
WR: Morgan/Brooks/Rogers/Gayles
TE: Sutter/Edwards
T: Michael Carroll/Cooley
T: Jackson Loyd/ Doughty
Edge: Justin Hill
DT: Nolan Wilson
4-tech: Jamarion Matthews
NT: London Simmons
LB: Xavier Griffin
LB: Duke Johnson
CB: Jordan Edmonds
CB: Dijon Lee
Nickel: Red Morgan
S: Ivan Taylor
S: Jireh Edwards
I ONLY listed players who were in these past two classes, and did not count transfers. I also obviously left off many really good players like Jonathon Beaman, Steve M, Chick McDonald, Dre Kirkpatrick Jr, several LB’s, OL, etc…
Those players I listed above are all the type/caliber that would play on a CNS roster from 2008-2022.
CKD has also RETAINED all of these guys (including the class he inherited), with guys like Hubbard, Pierre, Z Brown, etc…
Coach Womack (I had my doubts) has done a TREMENDOUS job with the defense….his 1st season they finished top10 in scoring (fewest pints allowed by Bama D since 2017), while forcing the 3rd most takeaways, and last year they were 2nd only behind OU for fewest yards allowed in the conference.
I give him LOADS of credit to adapting to a 3-4 Under Front when it seemed like he was going to be a 4-2-5 guy no matter what until he slowly transitioned after the Vandy debacle in Year 1. Bama Is 18-0 when the offense has scored 22 points or more in a game since CKD got here.
I think now CKD has the QB and WR’s he needs to run the caliber of offense he ran at UW that depends heavily on a vertical passing attack.
I know many will see this as an excuse, but with only 8 Seniors on this current roster, and the extremely high retention rate of the highly ranked players he has signed, I think the money is being spent to make sure all these highly ranked young guys who have elite talent stay on the roster and continue to develop.
Also, this years class was down across the board at every position group nationally and in-state. Next year is just the opposite…both nationally and the State of Alabama is loaded with talent next year.
I absolutely trust this staff and the job they have done putting this roster back together and I think both sides of the ball will perform at a top2-3 level in the conference this year l, not just the defense. Also, next years class will resemble the previous 3, not this years imo,
This post was edited on 6/21/26 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 6/22/26 at 7:24 am to Diego Ricardo
Look at the guys he has brought in:
- Ryan Williams (committed to CKD)
- Michael Carroll
- Jackson Loyd
- Ty Haywood
- Keelon Russell
- Elijah Haven
- Xavier Crowell
- Cederian Morgan
- Zay Mincey
- Derek Meadows
- Xavier Griffin
- Jordan Edmonds
- Dijon Lee
- Jireh Edwards
Hopefully, add Gayles to that list soon. Those are all 5-star guys or top50 at worst. I wouldn’t exactly call that “a bunch of 3 and 4 star guys”
4-star Top100 players:
- Zyan Gibson
- Duke Johnson
- Bryson Cooley
- Jamarion Matthews (5-Star on Rivaks)
- Nolan Wilson
- AK Dear
- Ivan Taylor
That’s not counting a single transfer NOR the high rate of 3-stars they have hit on (Brooks, Kirkpatrick Jr, Simmons, etc)
- Ryan Williams (committed to CKD)
- Michael Carroll
- Jackson Loyd
- Ty Haywood
- Keelon Russell
- Elijah Haven
- Xavier Crowell
- Cederian Morgan
- Zay Mincey
- Derek Meadows
- Xavier Griffin
- Jordan Edmonds
- Dijon Lee
- Jireh Edwards
Hopefully, add Gayles to that list soon. Those are all 5-star guys or top50 at worst. I wouldn’t exactly call that “a bunch of 3 and 4 star guys”
4-star Top100 players:
- Zyan Gibson
- Duke Johnson
- Bryson Cooley
- Jamarion Matthews (5-Star on Rivaks)
- Nolan Wilson
- AK Dear
- Ivan Taylor
That’s not counting a single transfer NOR the high rate of 3-stars they have hit on (Brooks, Kirkpatrick Jr, Simmons, etc)
This post was edited on 6/22/26 at 7:29 am
Posted on 6/22/26 at 7:56 am to Cover1Key
Yep, I wasn’t saying we lacked talent. I was simply responding to the idea that winning with 3 or 4 stars was the plan. The simplest strategy for consistent success in college is signing blue chip recruits.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:10 pm to Diego Ricardo
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The simplest strategy for consistent success in college is signing blue chip recruits.
Old school maybe but I think bringing in talented guys retaining your roster, developing and having an older team is the way that teams in Alabamas NIL range will sustain success. Similar to Indiana because I can promise you they didn’t have near the talent that Alabama did and they beat us like a rented mule along with everyone else.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:59 pm to TTsTowel
Simmons is IMO wildly underrated. 2000+ yards receiving is impressive regardless of what level competition.
I’d be ecstatic signing him and Osami Gayles.
I’d be ecstatic signing him and Osami Gayles.
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