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Posted on 2/14/20 at 1:14 pm to Bham Bammer
Golding and Strong at the first defensive team meeting of the spring:
Posted on 2/14/20 at 1:18 pm to TidalSurge1
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an off-the-field role.
Well, I see Saban is still planning on taking next season off, then.
Golding’s Groupies rejoice!
Posted on 2/14/20 at 2:13 pm to YStar
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But Strong is a career 3-3-5. Isn’t he?
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Which is basically playing the nickel in a 3-4.
I disagree that the 3-3-5 is "basically" the 3-4 nickel, and the reason is that in the 3-3-5, Jack doesn't exist. And while I realize that in the 3-3-5, one of those LBs could be a pass rush specialist off the edge, many teams don't do it that way and choose more of a pressure by committee approach.
Simply put, in the 3-4 nickel, it's very common to end up in a 4-2-5 look, and I don't think it's super important whether the Jack has his hand on the ground - he's on the line, and that's that. But with many teams' versions of the 3-3-5, they don't actually line up with 4 guys on the LOS frequently, and therein lies a big difference.
I will say that in the modern game, the 3-3-5 is a very versatile scheme. It used to be known as more of a bend-but-don't-break philosophy, but that simply isn't true anymore, given how the offensive game is going away from run heavy and now spreads the defense out more.
For those that don't remember, we had some VERY good defenses under Joe Kines, and he ran the 3-3-5. It was nasty with the right personnel.
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 2/14/20 at 2:16 pm to prevatt33b
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I will say that in the modern game, the 3-3-5 is a very versatile scheme. It used to be known as more of a bend-but-don't-break philosophy, but that simply isn't true anymore, given how the offensive game is going away from run heavy and now spreads the defense out more.
Yep - which is why I'm curious to see if we tinker with some stuff, especially with the amount of versatile guys we have on the front and back end.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 2:21 pm to SummerOfGeorge
We ran it some when I was DC . It is very versatile and you can choose to cover out of it pretty well but there are TONS of blitzes that are hard for OL to pick up where it is coming from if you want to attack out of it (hope we do)
West Virginia ran it as their base for years
West Virginia ran it as their base for years
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Posted on 2/14/20 at 2:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Yep - which is why I'm curious to see if we tinker with some stuff, especially with the amount of versatile guys we have on the front and back end.
Exactly.
Common sense says we will tinker.
Hence why those of us with it likened our 34 nickel to his 335.
I'm sure it would be very similar with a couple roles altered. He's a great defensive mind so I'm sure he will adapt things correctly.
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 2/14/20 at 3:50 pm to CrimsonBoz
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We need him.
Desperately
Posted on 2/14/20 at 4:10 pm to Cobrasize
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I don’t know when it will happen, but I think Strong will eventually be the DC. Don’t believe it will happen during the regular season though
Charlie Strong will never be the DC at Alabama.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 4:11 pm to YStar
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Common sense says we will tinker.
Doubt it.
Some of you are really having some knee jerk reactions to last season and just absolutely refuse to admit that the number of freshman was the problem. Not the DC, not the scheme, or any of this other crap you guys keep talking about.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 4:17 pm to 3down10
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Doubt it.
Some of you are really having some knee jerk reactions to last season and just absolutely refuse to admit that the number of freshman was the problem. Not the DC, not the scheme, or any of this other crap you guys keep talking about.
I don't think the tinkering would be some crazy response to last year, I just think Saban constantly looks around and makes minor adjustments based on the way the game is being played. We already run more nickel and dime than we do standard 3-4 (he talked about it multiple times this year). Wouldn't shock me if he was looking for ways to add new looks to that, given it's become our main look and not just a seldom used sub-package.
The guy looks for fresh ideas and takes on things from everybody - hell he asked Nate Oats if he had anything that might be of use to him.
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 2/14/20 at 4:23 pm to 3down10
Coaches learn from each other all the time and bring in wrinkles and new ideas . Maybe Strong has some wrinkles for spread offenses Saban is interested in. Staffs go learn from other staffs and NFL staffs all the time . Maybe his time in the BIG 12 taught him a few things as well ?
I would be willing to bet if he is indeed hired that he won’t be here to just break down film or self scout our team . His input would be valued IMO Posted on 2/14/20 at 4:28 pm to Bear88
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I would be willing to bet if he is indeed hired that he won’t be here to just break down film or self scout our team . His input would be valued IMO
Yep - he has a unique background scheme wise and has coached in 2 of the most spread oriented leagues in the country for the last 6-7 years. And he's a very good defensive football coach who is highly respected in the field.
Would be great to get him in the building.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 4:41 pm to 3down10
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Charlie Strong will never be the DC at Alabama.
I think you were one of the posters that said that when I mentioned Strong a few weeks ago.
I believe the chances are good that he will be.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 4:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I don't think the tinkering would be some crazy response to last year, I just think Saban constantly looks around and makes minor adjustments based on the way the game is being played. We already run more nickel and dime than we do standard 3-4 (he talked about it multiple times this year). Wouldn't shock me if he was looking for ways to add new looks to that, given it's become our main look and not just a seldom used sub-package.
The guy looks for fresh ideas and takes on things from everybody - hell he asked Nate Oats if he had anything that might be of use to him.
Nickle and Dime stuff is more a response to what the other team is doing. We're more likely to run it against spread teams, while old school LSU a few years ago you'd rarely see it.
So yeah, we've definitely been running it more often than not lately as the RPO/Spread has become more and more popular.
And I'm sure some new wrinkles will always be welcome.
But Strong was a DC long before the RPO and today's spread. And he was a terrible HC and nobody really thinks of him as someone who's been doing great against the RPO/Spread(that I've seen, I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong).
So exactly what does he really have to offer in terms of tinkering with the defense to make it better against the RPO/today's offenses? And why do people think he's some kind of savior in this area, to the point where they want him to be DC?
The man never had a winning season at Texas...in the Big12. How the frick does that happen? We talk about the Shula years, but he's way worse than the Shula years. And then he took over a strong FSU team, managed to go 10-2 his first year there, and it only took him 2 years to turn them into a 4-8 team.
He's not even a good recruiter anymore.
So exactly where are these fresh ideas coming from? Because I just can't see where a guy who hasn't been DC in over 10 years and hasn't really had or shown success since then really has anything extra to offer.
The man has been around and will make a fine analyst and/or position coach. With the Alabama name behind him, he can probably start recruiting well again also. But I just don't see where he really has anything to offer near what people have been claiming.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 4:57 pm to 3down10
Bottom line .... if Saban thinks we need him or new ideas ..... we NEED him
Posted on 2/14/20 at 4:58 pm to John Milner
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I think you were one of the posters that said that when I mentioned Strong a few weeks ago.
I believe the chances are good that he will be.
We'll see. I will be extremely shocked if that happens.
Pete Golding did a hell of a job this year all things considered and it sucks that the fan base is too ignorant to recognize that.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 5:03 pm to 3down10
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And why do people think he's some kind of savior in this area, to the point where they want him to be DC?
I think there is a big difference in wanting him to come be DC and being glad to have him in the building watching tape and assisting with gameplanning (I want the latter).
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The man never had a winning season at Texas...in the Big12. How the frick does that happen? We talk about the Shula years, but he's way worse than the Shula years. And then he took over a strong FSU team, managed to go 10-2 his first year there, and it only took him 2 years to turn them into a 4-8 team.
I don't think anyone would argue that he is a good head coach.
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So exactly where are these fresh ideas coming from? Because I just can't see where a guy who hasn't been DC in over 10 years and hasn't really had or shown success since then really has anything extra to offer.
I would imagine he was still pretty involved in the defensive work while at Texas and USF. I don't think he's some sort of new age revolutionary defensive mind, but he ran a system that was built to adapt against teams that spread you out AND that has lots of links to what we currently run. He was running stuff with lighter, faster personnel in the early 2000s at South Carolina - he has a lot of experience with defenses based around a 3 man front.
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The man has been around and will make a fine analyst and/or position coach
Yea that is all I'm really hoping for.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 5:17 pm to Bear88
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Bottom line .... if Saban thinks we need him or new ideas ..... we NEED him
I agree. He's a good addition, no doubt about that. I just don't see where he's going to offer new innovations to the defense.
And even further, I don't see where new innovations are really all that needed. What I'm personally looking to see are players who are more experienced, have more time in the program and are able to run things normal to the Alabama defenses we are use to seeing.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 5:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I would imagine he was still pretty involved in the defensive work while at Texas and USF. I don't think he's some sort of new age revolutionary defensive mind, but he ran a system that was built to adapt against teams that spread you out AND that has lots of links to what we currently run. He was running stuff with lighter, faster personnel in the early 2000s at South Carolina - he has a lot of experience with defenses based around a 3 man front.
The defenses at Texas were a joke though. Extremely bad. I can't really say about USF honestly, as I never watched them play, but he took a top25 team and went 4-8 with them by his 3rd year.
Even as a HC he should still have huge influence over that side of the ball, and it's not a pretty resume.
I'm sure he has many strengths and is no doubt top notch when it comes to a position like analyst. But hiring him as DC to me would be like hiring Butch Jones for OC. Just go ahead and shoot me now.
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