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re: Best D strategy against OK
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:02 pm to prevatt33
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:02 pm to prevatt33
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The only reason to do this would be if our offense wasn't any good. This strategy allows teams with less explosive offenses compete by severely limiting the total number of possessions.
This is not Alabama.
We will bring an equally explosive offense to the field, and so we should not be afraid in any way, shape, or form to have a bunch of possessions in the game. We should run solely if that gives us a greater chance to matriculate the ball down the field. Based on what I see, we should be able to run and pass on Oklahoma.
The discrepancy between these 2 teams is with the defense, with ours being top 6 statistically, and theirs being outside the top 90. We should stop them a whole hell of a lot more than they stop us, and so I see no reason for us to try to run, run, run in order to shorten this game.
No, we don't want to get into a situation where our defense sees 100 plays. But our defense will be far superior to theirs for each and every minute of the game. We're going to play our normal game: weather their first half offensive storm, and make adjustments at the half and shut them down. And we'll score a boatload of points in the process and send them back to Oklahoma with their tail (and Heisman) between their legs.
Shortening this game is what lesser offensive teams need to do. We can score with anyone, and stop most.
This x1000, ball control when you are the more talented team in every way is more harmful to yourself than it is to the opposition. We will get more stops than they do, if Tua is healthy he will turn it over less than Murray does too. Don't limit possessions when one team has a top 10 defense and one has a top 100.
Running the ball is crucial for keeping their defense from just blitzing and trying to force tua into mistakes, the one way they have had success this year as a defense, but it isn't anymore vital than using all of our weapons to put points on the board and force them to become one dimensional.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 2:04 pm
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:12 pm to ALtoID
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I don’t really like shortening the game with ball possession either
I don't either. If this were 2011, and we had a dominant defense, and a ball control offense, sure.
But, if we run that offense, WE'LL score less too. That means the score will be closer because we're not going to stop them every time either.
I think we run our normal offense and defense. They'll score, but our offense against their defense is a bigger mismatch. I'd play the odds and fire away on offense.
*Edit* I see this has already been covered.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:16 pm to Teague
I'm with you on that. Just play our game.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:28 pm to prevatt33
I'm still not convinced a track meet is the type of game we want to get into. I think we need to definitely try to establish the run game to force their defense to stay on the field and allow ours to stay fresh.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:29 pm to Bham Bammer
This will be a track meet whether we choose it to be or not. The best way to approach something like that is to use your best tools to your advantage over playing a style you don't normally play.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:37 pm to Tider95
Bama was superior to OU in a few years ago as well. AJ threw three or four interceptions in that game?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:41 pm to RollTide4Ever
2 Ints from Mcarron plus the fumble in the endzone. and Trevor Knight has the most Stephen Garcia game we'd seen since 2010. Only has been surpassed by Fromm this SECCG.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:42 pm to RollTide4Ever
I have all the confidence in the world in this team and think we will win, but if I am being honest, this was the least wanted matchup in the first round I wanted out of all the possibilities . Just don’t need wasted possessions
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:58 pm to Bear88
I was more worried about a possible Ohio State match up. While they haven't put many good games together this year, they have as much talent as Bama does.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 3:45 pm to tideohio
While this seems to work what's to say we don't burn 8 or so minutes on a drive, score 7 points, and then kick to OU and they score in 2 minutes?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 3:48 pm to ChoadieMcSmalls
That's why there is a group arguing that we just play our game instead of trying to be something we aren't and still potentially end up in a track meet.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 4:18 pm to ChoadieMcSmalls
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While this seems to work what's to say we don't burn 8 or so minutes on a drive, score 7 points, and then kick to OU and they score in 2 minutes?
If this continues to happen for 4 quarters, it's a problem.
However, if we stop OU's offense some - as we are likely to do (because we do that to everyone) - then there are a few instances where we drive for 7, they go 3- or 5-and-out pretty quickly and put their defense back on the field for another 7-minute mashing. Do that a few times and you increase your lead by increments of 7 while also tiring out their already garbage defense.
Color me fine with that. Not campaigning for it, but your scenario ain't bad at all.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 4:27 pm to prevatt33
Good point! Tiring their defense would be a nice product of long drives. Hopefully we can keep the field flipped and score on every drive, regardless of how long we spend scoring.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 4:39 pm to ChoadieMcSmalls
In reality, time of possession means almost nothing anymore in modern CFB. Points per drive and turnover margin are the metrics most associated with delineating between wins and losses.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 4:47 pm to prevatt33
This whole thread is dispressing. Looking forward to seeing a not so 100% Tua jack up interceptions when we can kill OU with a running game.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 4:47 pm to RollTide4Ever
lol we aren't a running team anymore... we haven't been for two years now. No one is saying we shouldn't run the ball, but ball control/eat clock/kill possessions game plan makes no sense with this offense.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 5:07 pm to tideohio
Pressure. We can’t allow Murray to just sit back there and pick us apart. I’d rather be aggressive and potentially force a mistake than get nickeled and dimed all game.
On offense, it’s a cliche but take what the OU defense gives us. I don’t care if we run or pass, but we can’t waste possessions trying to force something. I don’t want Tua just sitting there trying to force a big pass play every down because their pass defensive is supposed to be crap.
The only way we lose this game is if our offense sputters because that is where the mismatch is supposed to be.
On offense, it’s a cliche but take what the OU defense gives us. I don’t care if we run or pass, but we can’t waste possessions trying to force something. I don’t want Tua just sitting there trying to force a big pass play every down because their pass defensive is supposed to be crap.
The only way we lose this game is if our offense sputters because that is where the mismatch is supposed to be.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 5:12 pm to FairhopeTider
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Pressure. We can’t allow Murray to just sit back there and pick us apart. I’d rather be aggressive and potentially force a mistake than get nickeled and dimed all game
This
Posted on 12/10/18 at 5:20 pm to ChoadieMcSmalls
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and they score in 2 minutes?
Remember, the only benefit to running the hurry up offense is that theoretically (and statistically), it causes the defense to make more mistakes, both players as well as coaches, given the necessity of making adjustments, subbing, getting plays called, and then lining up - with less time to do those things in.
Beyond that, scoring in 2 minutes as opposed to 7 minutes has literally no advantage, and is in some ways less desirable.
Points per possession is the metric you want to be as high as possible.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:52 pm to prevatt33
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Beyond that, scoring in 2 minutes as opposed to 7 minutes has literally no advantage
Beyond that, scoring in 2 minutes as opposed to 7 minutes has literally no advantage
Disagree.
The longer your offense holds the ball, the more your defense rests. Getting the big boys up front rest usually allows them to hold the line and pressure the QB more effectively.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 6:57 pm
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