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Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:30 am to TideWarrior
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:30 am to TideWarrior
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Yes since Saban has arrived the university as a whole has greatly benefited with increased enrollment, especially out of state, and other sports have reaped the benefits. So yes overall increases the experience for the student but without the fans being a large part of that equation there would not be a program at this level.
I disagree with most of your post but going into the purpose of athletics at universities and how that has changed over time is particular boring to me especially when needing to write it out. I will say as someone who has worked in admissions and has a good knowledge of the UA student recruitment strategy that was established in 2003, the football programs success in increased enrollment, especially out of state is highly overstated by fans. The generous scholarships (including covering grad school if you graduate early), low cost, and outsized recruiting efforts (UA for most of the last 20 years has had the largest out of state recruiting staff of any school in the country) is the driver behind the huge growth. A lot of kids see big time football as a perk but not a reason to come. For kids who don't grow up in areas with rich college football history many of them don't distinguish between the football experience between Alabama and say Arizona. They just know there will be games on TV in a big stadium during most weekends and that is good enough for them. Greek life probably has a bigger pull on apps for Alabama more so than football. Usually you will see a bump in apps nationwide after you come to a forefront for a championship, but Bama's sustained success has all but negated those jumps you would traditionally see.
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 10:34 am
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Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:33 am to TidalSurge1
Feeling good about this season. WRs seems the next man up is stepping up. If the OL has improved with Gibbs in the backfield our offense is going to run over teams. Gibbs is going to be huge for Young as an option in so many ways.
The D has everything it needs this year to stop any team we face. Just need to play as a unit unlike last year we had a few step up but guys like Anderson had to carry the D to get results.
This team seems to be the most complete on both sides of the ball Saban has had in a long time.
The D has everything it needs this year to stop any team we face. Just need to play as a unit unlike last year we had a few step up but guys like Anderson had to carry the D to get results.
This team seems to be the most complete on both sides of the ball Saban has had in a long time.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:47 am to TideWarrior
Bama Football Twitter just posted a 2+ min video featuring portions of Larry Fitzgerald's speech to the team. Good stuff!
Twitter Video
Twitter Video
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:55 am to Sl0thstronautEsq
There have been some great speakers this Fall.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 5:19 pm to Carlton
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:25 pm to Carlton
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I disagree with most of your post
Disagree all you want as I never said Saban or the football program was the main reason. But to tell me the university as a whole has not benefited from Saban or the team's success I will completely disagree with you on. And my response was to argue what the other poster was saying the program including access is geared towards the student which it is not. But take out of it what you want.
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:46 pm to TideWarrior
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Disagree all you want as I never said Saban or the football program was the main reason.
That was my plan
, and that is not what I was claiming you said . quote:
But to tell me the university as a whole has not benefited from Saban or the team's success I will completely disagree with you on.
I didn't say the University didn't benefit, I said many people correlate the huge overall and out of state student increase with football success when in reality it was a purposeful admission plan established before Saban's success and the athletic success has only had a small influence on that. I agree with you that the campus and Tuscaloosa has benefited from the athletic department but most of what has happened on the academics, student and physical plant side of campus over the last 20 years is centered around a calculated and methodical plan by administration.
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And my response was to argue what the other poster was saying the program including access is geared towards the student which it is not.
I have to admit my reading comprehension sucks on this part. My getting older arse is probably up to late to understand and as I said the nuts and bolts of this subject if I really got crazy deep would bore most to tears. It's all good
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:52 pm to Carlton
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There have been some great speakers this Fall.
Who else has been here?
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:54 pm to East Coast Band
Michael Phelps, Larry Fitzgerald, Maria Taylor
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:23 am to TideWarrior
Just wanted to chime in that my point really was just, in response to the previous poster who complained about the program not maximizing his fan experience, that the football (and athletics) program is not a business, because it has different stakeholders.
In pro sports, where it is purely a business (except for special cases like the Clippers where the team is just a vanity project for the owner), the team/program operates to maximize the revenue generated and the valuation of the franchise. They do so by trying to suck every last bit of engagement and money out of their consumers (fans) and advertisers. They have a fiduciary duty to act in this manner.
College football programs obviously have a lot of similarities. Fan money, fan engagement, and advertiser money, are massive, massive parts of college football. Generating huge revenue and fan interest has tremendous benefits for the program.
But its not just money for money's sake like in a professional setting. The long ranging goals for a university to have a football program isn't just to have profits an owner can pocket and drive up the Forbes evaluation. Football programs exist to hopefully generate excess revenues that the University can spend elsewhere. They exist to increase the University's national prestige and notoriety. They exist to provide a meaningful and beneficial experience to the players who come through the program. Etc.
So when a program decides to take a measure that is perhaps not purely in service of maximizing fan engagement or spending, it's appropriate to recognize that the decision may be motivated by another interest of the program. One that isn't purely financially driven like what exists in pro sports.
In pro sports, where it is purely a business (except for special cases like the Clippers where the team is just a vanity project for the owner), the team/program operates to maximize the revenue generated and the valuation of the franchise. They do so by trying to suck every last bit of engagement and money out of their consumers (fans) and advertisers. They have a fiduciary duty to act in this manner.
College football programs obviously have a lot of similarities. Fan money, fan engagement, and advertiser money, are massive, massive parts of college football. Generating huge revenue and fan interest has tremendous benefits for the program.
But its not just money for money's sake like in a professional setting. The long ranging goals for a university to have a football program isn't just to have profits an owner can pocket and drive up the Forbes evaluation. Football programs exist to hopefully generate excess revenues that the University can spend elsewhere. They exist to increase the University's national prestige and notoriety. They exist to provide a meaningful and beneficial experience to the players who come through the program. Etc.
So when a program decides to take a measure that is perhaps not purely in service of maximizing fan engagement or spending, it's appropriate to recognize that the decision may be motivated by another interest of the program. One that isn't purely financially driven like what exists in pro sports.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:27 am to Carlton
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It's all good
Same here
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:46 am to TideWarrior
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:01 am to Crimson77
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But its not just money for money's sake like in a professional setting. The long ranging goals for a university to have a football program isn't just to have profits an owner can pocket and drive up the Forbes evaluation. Football programs exist to hopefully generate excess revenues that the University can spend elsewhere. They exist to increase the University's national prestige and notoriety. They exist to provide a meaningful and beneficial experience to the players who come through the program
That's incredibly naive.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:03 am to TidalSurge1
That is a pretty good sponsorship. Rhoback is an up and coming company. They make good stuff and it's becoming one of the more popular brands that I see.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:18 am to Carlton
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Michael Phelps, Larry Fitzgerald, Maria Taylor
Tom Rinaldi too!
Posted on 8/17/22 at 4:32 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Bryce Young, Josh Downs, Brock Bowers, Will Levis sign NIL deal with NOBULL (BI)
BAMA ON3 SHOW: Looking at Alabama's wide receivers in fall camp (BI)
BAMA ON3 SHOW: Looking at Alabama's wide receivers in fall camp (BI)
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 8/17/22 at 5:27 pm to TidalSurge1
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:10 pm to aspiclark
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:22 pm to Alabama_Fan
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Coach Saban Press Conference 08-17-22
Ricks hasn't been able to practice since the first scrimmage due to a back issue? Seems like the starters in Week 1 might be Kool-Aid and Arnold.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 7:13 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
Here’s the SI write up
Nick Saban Gives Updates on Status of Eli Ricks, Javion Cohen
Nick Saban shares new information regarding Eli Ricks' injury, along with a mental health update on Javion Cohen.
Nick Saban Gives Updates on Status of Eli Ricks, Javion Cohen
Nick Saban shares new information regarding Eli Ricks' injury, along with a mental health update on Javion Cohen.
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