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Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:57 pm to VADawg
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What you're going to find out is that players and fans could not give any less of a shite once they're eliminated from playoff contention.
Do you really think the only fans watching
CFB playoff games are only of those playing?
Alabama vs Georgia NC game had 28 million plus viewers.They were only Bama and UGA fans?
No idea what you're talking about.
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You're going to see players quit left and right once their teams are out.
Are you talking about the reg season or non playoff bowl games?
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:00 pm to VADawg
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If NFL scouts viewing guys quitting on their college teams as an indictment on their future effort, this quitting shite would stop immediately
I agree
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:54 pm to DawgsLife
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Oklahoma lost to Iowa State and Kansas State
And we got blown out by Bama and UF. Did you watch OU at the end of the season? I highly doubt it.BTW did you watch OSU vs Indiana? Northwestern? They could keep it beyond close.OU's defense and running game improved considerably by the end of the season.
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Okay, and I would say OSU would be a 14 point favorite minimum. Who wins with this prediction?
Do you base a every current prediction of past performances?
Tell ya what, go out to Vegas and do that or call your bookie and do that...lef me know how ya do.
This is your logic? Wow
Posted on 12/26/20 at 11:49 pm to RD Dawg
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Did you watch OU at the end of the season?
This is the point. A lot of college football fans stopped following OU after they lost to Iowa State in September because they were no longer playoff relevant.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 6:04 am to RD Dawg
Posted on 12/27/20 at 6:08 am to SquatchDawg
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The bowl games are as relevant as they’ve always been. Historically only one or maybe two games had national championship implications. The rest of them were just fun matchups and a way to cap off the season.
I don’t know what caused this apathy about bowl games but it’s a fairly recent thing. There have been scores of players going to the NFL who still opted to play in “irrelevant” bowls going back as long as there have been bowls and the NFL.
The apathy is due to fans realizing that bowls are meaningless. As is the regular season when your team is eliminated from the playoff. Couple this with defense being meaningless and the fact the game is a throwback to a different era where athletic contests were attractive past times and seen as a test between men of different regions competing out of pride for their school and state and not as a stepping stone to a career in the nfl and sports across the board are losing fans left and right.....
CFB is also suffering from the fatigue of 3 - 4 schools always playing for a title.......and one of those doing so this year with only 6 games being played. Most fans look at OSU in the playoff and realize that games are meaningless......they are and always have been.....and all that matters is what the press sees in August. 2019 LSU is an outlier....if that sort of thing happened more often folks would be intrigued.....but people have many choices of what they do for entertainment today and the same tired drama every season is not attractive like it was
Posted on 12/27/20 at 6:11 am to VADawg
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This line of thinking changed several years ago.
But you also said this:
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I know that I watch less college football in general when Georgia gets taken out of playoff contention. I still watch Georgia games but other games mean nothing to me anymore. That is bad for the sport.
That's the point - under the old bowl system, fans stayed interested because their teams were still playing in a game that meant something to them. Changing bowl season to 3 games "that matter" and a slew of also-playeds does not hold fan interest nearly as much.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 6:34 am to Gtmodawg
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The apathy is due to fans realizing that bowls are meaningless. As is the regular season when your team is eliminated from the playoff. Couple this with defense being meaningless
So were they "meaningless" in the BCS era?
You only got 2 teams back so almost all of em were "meaningless" correct? You must have been miserable.
Are you saying your team is only worth watching if its only a NC contender?
This is really your attitude?
Why not switch your loyalty to Bama or Clemson? I think you'll save yourself from being a "meaningless" fan.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 6:37 am to djsdawg
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Don’t think so, 4 was never enough
Well....I can't speak for you, obviously, but most people that i saw seemed very happy and said 4 would be just right. And, it is. The scores prove that anything more than that will just give us more blow outs.
I'm not sure what you want. If 1 verses 4 is a blowout do you seriously believe that 1 verses 8 is going to suddenly be a great game?
Posted on 12/27/20 at 6:44 am to RD Dawg
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And we got blown out by Bama and UF. Did you watch OU at the end of the season? I highly doubt it.BTW did you watch OSU vs Indiana? Northwestern? They could keep it beyond close.OU's defense and running game improved considerably by the end of the season.
I watched them play Iowa State for their championship. At best I thought both teams were lackluster. Did you really think, "Hey! This is riveting football!"? Did they look like a team capable of winning a title?
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Do you base a every current prediction of past performances?
I was playing off of your prediction that was based off of nothing. If you can make a throwaway prediction based off nothing why can't I make a wild prediction based off nothing?
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This is your logic? Wow
Well, it was your logic.
I was responding to you making this comment:
I would highly doubt there's one LV casino or offshore bookmaker that would agree with you.
What exactly did you base that on?
You keep saying I am making hypothetical, yet you don't seem to understand or comprehend that your entire argument is based upon a hypothetical and guesses.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 6:50 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:27 am to DawgsLife
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watched them play Iowa State for their championship. At best I thought both teams were lackluster. Did you really think, "Hey! This is riveting football!"? Did they look like a team capable of winning a title?
Where the hell are you getting this?I said
a game between them and OSU wouldn't be a blowout and worth watching and you extrapolate I thought they'd win a title?
Wow.
BTW,have you figured out how 8 teams play 7 games yet? Hint: It's REALLY easy
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was playing off of your prediction that was based off of nothing. If you can make a throwaway prediction based off nothing why can't I make a wild prediction based off nothing?
Wut? You went on some crazy tangent about "learning from history!!!" in regards to your "blowout" predictions for future CFB playoffs. You should know sports is always evolving even with the runs of Bama and Clemson lately.
Did you think LSU was gonna have the year it did last year and blow out pretty much everyone they played? I didn't and there was certainly nothing they did in the last 7 years (apparently the new timeline for all of CFB history) to think they would.
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would highly doubt there's one LV casino or offshore bookmaker that would agree with you.
What exactly did you base that on?
Betting sites and insiders put out hypothetical lins all the time and you seem to base everyone of your opinions/predictions of past results.It simply doesn't work that way.
One last time: Would UGA get "blown out' if they played Bama or Clemson in a hypothetical playoff scenario this year?
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 11:04 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:09 am to DawgsLife
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Well....I can't speak for you, obviously, but most people that i saw seemed very happy and said 4 would be just right.
In what context? Deciding a champion. They weren’t speaking about non playoff postseason games that involve opt outs.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:18 am to VADawg
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If NFL scouts viewing guys quitting on their college teams as an indictment on their future effort, this quitting shite
Why? It's a sign of maturity. You know these kids want to play. They're showing discipline and acting like professionals by not going out there.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:57 am to chillmonster
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Why? It's a sign of maturity. You know these kids want to play.
No they don't. They want to get paid. I don't really blame them. I want to see NFL scouts start really going after these guys with questions like "so if you quit on your college team in the middle of a rough season, why won't you do the same thing here in the NFL once you already have your money?"
Suiting up for good old state U is no longer a motivating factor for the modern college football player.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 10:59 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:13 am to VADawg
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so if you quit on your college team in the middle of a rough season, why won't you do the same thing here in the NFL once you already have your money?"
Suiting up for good old state U is no longer a motivating factor for the modern college football player.
And quitting on "ole State U" is one thing but quitting on your teammates is a different deal completely.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:23 am to RD Dawg
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And quitting on "ole State U" is one thing but quitting on your teammates is a different deal completely
Of course they want to play. This is the last time they'd get to play with some of the (often) life long friends they made in college.
Not playing is a sacrifice you make to assure your future. I can't blame them.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:34 am to olddawg26
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But of the first 64 players picked last year in the NFL draft there were only six that didn’t play in their bowl games, if they had a bowl game. So there were only six that didn’t play. So it’s not necessarily the modern thing or the trend to do that. I think people make it out to be that way, but that’s not actually true.
Pretty solid coach
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:59 am to Kneehigh
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But of the first 64 players picked last year in the NFL draft there were only six that didn’t play in their bowl games, if they had a bowl game. So there were only six that didn’t play. So it’s not necessarily the modern thing or the trend to do that. I think people make it out to be that way, but that’s not actually true
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Pretty solid coach
Please.Itsz cherry picking at its finest.
Of course a lot of the top 64 didn't sit out...many were involved in the CFB playoffs.
Hell,LSU had 7 alone that were in the top 64 and I'm sure CU.OU and OSU had a good chunk as well.
And how many played on teams that weren't bowl eligible? I knos Kinlaw for SC was one of em
Posted on 12/27/20 at 12:12 pm to RD Dawg
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Where the hell are you getting this?I said
a game between them and OSU wouldn't be a blowout and worth watching and you extrapolate I thought they'd win a title?
Wow.
So you agree that if we expand the playoffs to include 8 teams you will be getting lop sided losses and teams that have no chance of winning a title? If you can see this and I can see this why would kids be unable to see this and play? Isn't that why they are opting out now? because they have no chance to win a title?
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Wut? You went on some crazy tangent about "learning from history!!!" in regards to your "blowout" predictions for future CFB playoffs. You should know sports is always evolving even with the runs of Bama and Clemson lately.
If anything...history teaches us that when #1 goes against #4 we get (typically) a blow out. Why on earth do you think we are magically going to get a good matchup if we go #1 against #8?
Yes. You can look at results that have happened in the past and expect similar results in the future.
The definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
quote:Dude. I am not wanting to set playoff participators before the season starts. but at the end of the season you pretty much know what you are getting.
Did you think LSU was gonna have the year it did last year and blow out pretty much everyone they played? I didn't and there was certainly nothing they did in the last 7 years (apparently the new timeline for all of CFB history) to think they would.
quote:Okay. Then go find one with the hypothetical you mentioned and give us the line? It was your hypothetical. But you don't want me to counter with a hypothetical. kind of tying my hands so you can take a few shots, isn't it?
Betting sites and insiders put out hypothetical lins all the time and you seem to base everyone of your opinions/predictions of past results.It simply doesn't work that way.
"I can make hypotheticals, but you can't!" doesn't quite seem fair does it?
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