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The new “opt out” bowls
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:55 am
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:55 am
Obviously there is no problem (edit I guess I should say ‘no penalty’) opting out of a game that will not affect your teams chances to win a natty or really your draft stock. But having 9 starters not playing, would we even be in the peach bowl? Cincinnati likely has no one not playing, how do their fans reconcile that sort of thing?
I’ve seen on message boards that “it’s the ole Texas excuse by UGA”. Where if we win, it because they don’t belong around an SEC team, and if we lose it’s because we didn’t want to be there and all of our starters are gone.
While that is an annoying excuse, and trust me I want to win this game, how is it not also extremely legitimate?
I’ve seen on message boards that “it’s the ole Texas excuse by UGA”. Where if we win, it because they don’t belong around an SEC team, and if we lose it’s because we didn’t want to be there and all of our starters are gone.
While that is an annoying excuse, and trust me I want to win this game, how is it not also extremely legitimate?
This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 9:50 am
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Posted on 12/26/20 at 6:38 am to olddawg26
Our 2nd and 3rd stringers would all start for Cincy. No excuses not to beat them by 14 especially since our offense is intact
Posted on 12/26/20 at 7:14 am to DawgCountry
I'm not opposed to opt outs to prep for the draft. Gives young guys extra practice and game reps and ensures no injuries plus extra prep for those who are making the NFL jump. If they want players to stop opting out they need to make the bowl games meaningful either by expanded playoffs or increased incentives.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 7:28 am to olddawg26
We need to stop calling it “opt out”. I sure as hell don’t call it that. I call it quitting because that is what they are doing. They are quitting on their team and teammates.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 7:39 am to Fats
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they need to make the bowl games meaningful either by expanded playoffs or increased incentives
Ding ding ding
Posted on 12/26/20 at 7:56 am to olddawg26
at this point, it's inevitable that players will be getting paid in the near future(on the books). There's nothing stopping these guys from quitting on their team.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 8:04 am to olddawg26
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Obviously there is no problem opting out of a game that will not affect your teams chances to win a natty or really your draft stock
Not so obvious if you listen to guys like Pollack and Matt Stinchcomb. Both first rd picks who played in "insignificant" bowls their senior years...Pollack called em quiters as did Stinchcomb.
I wouldn't go that far but guys like. Mark Webb? Tre McKitty? DJ Daniels? Ridiculous
As far as the "Texas" excuse,we lost because of our approach and attitude from our upperclassmen that year IMO. I believe we had close to the same amount of guys missing last year vs Baylor (more opt outs for sure)but were far more focused and ready to play.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 8:05 am to mikehoncho69
The only way it gets fixed is when the unholy alliance between the NFL and NCAAF and ESPN and the Bowls lose enough money that they pressure the NFL to punish “Opt Outs” by putting it down as a black mark on their ratings, thus, decreasing their draft value, thus making the agents less money, thus, the agents will encourage them to finish their commitment.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:21 am to RD Dawg
Im saying obviously because as of now, with no penalty, who am I to hold it against someone playing in a game where we don’t really advance, and one play means the difference in millions of dollars for a guy. Just saying I get that aspect of it.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:24 am to olddawg26
Any player quitting the team to prepare for the draft should be dropped from the team, have their scholarship pulled, and not be taken to the bowl. Injuries or illness are different than selfishness.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:28 am to AlaCowboy
Should be, maybe yeah. But I do feel like this is getting away from my original question about the quality of the team that played against mizzou and the team that will play against Cincinnati
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:31 am to olddawg26
EPSN and their ilk are going to diminish the affect as they are part of the unholy alliance with the NFL
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:35 am to Fats
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If they want players to stop opting out they need to make the bowl games meaningful either by expanded playoffs or increased incentives.
The bowl games are as relevant as they’ve always been. Historically only one or maybe two games had national championship implications. The rest of them were just fun matchups and a way to cap off the season.
I don’t know what caused this apathy about bowl games but it’s a fairly recent thing. There have been scores of players going to the NFL who still opted to play in “irrelevant” bowls going back as long as there have been bowls and the NFL.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:35 am to RD Dawg
The real issue imo is the proliferation of the social media look at me generation. College upperclassmen have essentially grown up on social media and being incredibly self absorbed. People can blame the playoffs all they want, but if that was truly the case then why didn't we see this shite during the bcs era? From 98-13 there was literally only one bowl game that "mattered" but you never saw people quitting to train for an extra month. Big bowl games were still big and still meant something. All it took was fournette in 15 to quit on his team to start the trend now it's commonplace. These kids have grown up in an instant gratification society with no real sense of committment to anything. That's the problem, not the playoffs
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:44 am to ThereGoesHerschel
No, it is 100% agents in their ear. The minute they opt out, they can stop school, stop being amateurs and get advances...cash advances.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:48 am to Peter Buck
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No, it is 100% agents in their ear. The minute they opt out, they can stop school, stop being amateurs and get advances...cash advances.
Agents didnt just start being slimy 6 years ago
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:09 am to ThereGoesHerschel
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Agents didnt just start being slimy 6 years ago
Agents are still a part of it but lets not
forget that the guy who started the opt out craze was a white RB from Stanford whose parents were Stanford grads...not from the most difficult of circumstances
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:25 am to ThereGoesHerschel
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Agents didnt just start being slimy 6 years ago
Agents were around when the NFL had the unspoken rule of not taking anyone who had less than 4 years from HS graduation... so as to not compete with their free farm league. Once they get away with it, they will continue make it the norm as they did. Each opt out is getting some sort of advance you can bet.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:40 am to olddawg26
Once bowls have become meaningless, let next year's guys get the reps and playing time.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:56 am to lewis and herschel
Bowls were a goal not that long ago. Becoming Bowl eligible was a big deal. It allowed you to practice for an extra few weeks. It also allowed you to do more spring or preseason type practices. It was a grind. Especially since you had to stay in Athens for most of Christmas break. On the plus side, you got a nice check along with swag like watches, warm ups, jackets, and other random stuff. Going to the bowls was fun. You were treated pretty well and had some down time to frick around and party. Agents have made them mean less as they can advance the kids a lot more $$ than they would get at a bowl game. They may mean less to some fans who expect excellence from their sports teams, whilst wallowing in their mediocre lives too I guess... Either way, by it now being “acceptable “ for agents to advance money and talk kids into opting out of Bowl games, the games themselves are losing their value to the fans.
I will also add that coaches leaving before the season is over is also an issue, but you can look to the same source for that issue as well. Agents/greed....
I will also add that coaches leaving before the season is over is also an issue, but you can look to the same source for that issue as well. Agents/greed....
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