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re: The new “opt out” bowls
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:03 pm to RD Dawg
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:03 pm to RD Dawg
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But this isn't those leagues
Okay? So what?
You used them as justification to expand to 8 teams, but don't they usually play between 16-32 teams. Using your logic shouldn't we be expanding to 16-32 teams?
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We'll never know will we?
You didn't answer the question. Has one been left out that people thought..."wow they would have won it all if they had been in it." It hasn't happened because adding more teams would make for more terrible games. Look at the semi games. Only one year was there no blow out games played.
quote:Crap no. What dfference would it make? All you would have are some NY6 games only they wouldn't be as good.
You don't want to find out?
With NY6 games you get semi matched up teams. Expand to 8 and you have #1 vs #8. HORRIBLE game going by history. Just look at the semi-final playoff games. You would be taking away some games where the teams are at least paired up competitively to teams that are poorly paired up. Expand to 8 teams and here are the games we would have:
1-8 Alabama vs. Cincinnatti
2-7 Clemson vs. Florida
3-6 OSU vs. Oklahoma
4-5 ND-Texas A&M
Three of those would be blowouts.
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Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:05 pm to RD Dawg
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I was giving clear examples of why the 4
team scenario wasn't fine.
And the examples you gave would have still happened. So if you expand to 8 then you would still have the same thing happen. Are you also arguing why an 8 team playoff would not be fine?
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:20 pm to DawgsLife
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And the examples you gave would have still happened. So if you expand to 8 then you would still have the same thing happen
Wow, you still don't comprehend what I'm saying.
BTW,Im sure there would still be controvercies but I'll gladly deal with
it with more teams getting an opportunity.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:25 pm to RD Dawg
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Wow, you still don't comprehend what I'm saying.
Maybe you don't understand what you are saying. You listed several reasons of why the 4 team playoff is broken.. How would changing to an 8 team playoff fix those?
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:27 pm to RD Dawg
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BTW,Im sure there would still be controvercies but I'll gladly deal with
it with more teams getting an opportunity.
We usually get two decent playoff games. 1 semifinal and the final.
If you take the NY6 bowls away and pair them up with the top 4 teams, you will take away the decent NY6 games and get bad matchups. You are eliminating some pretty good games for some really bad ones because of the matchups.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:28 pm to DawgsLife
4 more teams have a meaningful postseason game. That’s what it changes.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:38 pm to djsdawg
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4 more teams have a meaningful postseason game. That’s what it changes.
So Cincinnati plays Alabama. That's meaningful?
What makes that meaningful?
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:42 pm to DawgsLife
Last years matchups:
1-8 LSU vs Wisconsin
2-7 Ohio State vs Baylor
3-6 Clemson vs Oregon
4-5 Oklahoma vs Georgia
Only one would interest me and that would be Oklahoma vs georgia and only because Georgia would be playing.
No thanks. Horrible games.
1-8 LSU vs Wisconsin
2-7 Ohio State vs Baylor
3-6 Clemson vs Oregon
4-5 Oklahoma vs Georgia
Only one would interest me and that would be Oklahoma vs georgia and only because Georgia would be playing.
No thanks. Horrible games.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:43 pm to DawgsLife
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Using your logic shouldn't we be expanding to 16-32 teams?
What? I was giving CLEAR example of other leagues and somehow that turns into me advocating for a 32 team playoff?
Unbelievable and if you're trying make an arguement for the "uniqueness" of the CFB reg season,that ship set sail the day Bama got the playoff nod without winning their division.Sorry, the can of worms was opened that day.
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You didn't answer the question. Has one been left out that people thought..."wow they would have won it all if they had been in it
Wow,so you're able to go back in time and answer a hypothetical?
Speaking of not answering questions,how bout my question about wanting to see UGA play Bama again or Clemson if we finished 8th?Are you telling me you wouldn't want to see that matchup or it wouldn't be
competitive?
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Crap no. What dfference would it make? All you would have are some NY6 games only they wouldn't be as good.
What? BTW, its gonna happen so get ready for it.
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1-8 Alabama vs. Cincinnatti
2-7 Clemson vs. Florida
3-6 OSU vs. Oklahoma
4-5 ND-Texas A&M
Three of those would be blowouts
I would love to see 3 of those and how in world do you know OSU vs OU or UF vs CU would be "blowouts?"
I don't and I you don't either
Quick yes or no:
Were you in favor of the BCS when it first came out?
How bout the CFB playoff when they first came out?
Reasons if you were in favor of either?
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:53 pm to RD Dawg
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What? I was giving CLEAR example of other leagues and somehow that turns into me advocating for a 32 team playoff?
Were you not saying that we should expand because those other leagues had expanded?
1. Why should we just because other leagues do. And if you are going down that road then you might as well take it to its logical conclusion.
Just because high schools or lower divisions or basketball or anybody else has more/bigger playoffs it does not follow that major college football should, too.
quote:If no worthy team has been lef tout after 7 seasons why would we want to expand? might a team get missed one year? yes. it's possible. but we shouldn't just change based off your hypothetical.
Wow,so you're able to go back in time and answer a hypothetical?
quote:I have already said I think it will happen in the next year or two, so I'm not sure what your point is.
What? BTW, its gonna happen so get ready for it.
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I would love to see 3 of those and how in world do you know OSU vs OU or UF vs CU would be "blowouts?"
6 of the last 7 years there have been blow outs in the semis. you water down the competition more and you don't suddenly get better games.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:57 pm to RD Dawg
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Quick yes or no:
Were you in favor of the BCS when it first came out?
How bout the CFB playoff when they first came out?
Reasons if you were in favor of either?
I liked the BCS okay. I thought it would improve some things and it did,imo.
quote:I was for them. And still am. I wish they would go by the BCS standings to pick the teams, though, although they probably wouldn't change much.
How bout the CFB playoff when they first came out?
quote:Because I felt there was an argument for 3 teams in any given year that was good enough to win a title. There has been only one year in which the 4th team has done well enough to play. Alabama in 2017.
Reasons if you were in favor of either?
In every other year the #4 team got blown out.
This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 12/26/20 at 4:22 pm to DawgsLife
Not gonna debate these points now but one thing that I'm really curious about is you
thinking OSU vs OU would be a "blowout"
I'd love to hear your reasoning behind this other than "they've lost in playoffs before!!" Are you familiar with em at all this year?
I would highly doubt there's one LV casino or offshore bookmaker that would agree with you.
thinking OSU vs OU would be a "blowout"
I'd love to hear your reasoning behind this other than "they've lost in playoffs before!!" Are you familiar with em at all this year?
I would highly doubt there's one LV casino or offshore bookmaker that would agree with you.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 4:34 pm to RD Dawg
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Not gonna debate these points now but one thing that I'm really curious about is you
thinking OSU vs OU would be a "blowout"
Oklahoma lost to Iowa State and Kansas State. they played Texas and very close game. Do you honestly believe they would keep OSU close?
quote:I've watched several games.
Are you familiar with em at all this year?
quote:Okay, and I would say OSU would be a 14 point favorite minimum. Who wins with this prediction?
I would highly doubt there's one LV casino or offshore bookmaker that would agree with you.
This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 12/26/20 at 4:39 pm to DawgsLife
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So Cincinnati plays Alabama. That's meaningful?
What makes that meaningful?
It’s a playoff game. Loser goes home.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 4:41 pm to Biggen
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We need to stop calling it “opt out”. I sure as hell don’t call it that. I call it quitting because that is what they are doing. They are quitting on their team and teammates.
This is exactly right. Calling it "opt out" makes it seem alright to do that.
I believe any kid who quits for no reason other than to avoid injury should have to pay back the entirety of their scholarship.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 4:41 pm to djsdawg
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It’s a playoff game. Loser goes home.
Oh. In that case maybe we should just call all of the bowl games playoff games if that is all it takes to be meaningful. We will never have enough meaningful games, right?
Using your logic it would only make sense to go to 16 or 32 teams in the playoffs. just think of all the meaningful games.
This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 12/26/20 at 4:58 pm to olddawg26
Bowls have become meaningless once the playoff formats started. There is zero incentive to play in bowl games if you are declaring, so you might as well expand the playoffs like the vast majority of us wants.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 5:00 pm to Kimsey
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Bowls have become meaningless once the playoff formats started. There is zero incentive to play in bowl games if you are declaring, so you might as well expand the playoffs like the vast majority of us wants.
Playoffs or no playoffs only 1 or two bowls had any bearing on the National Championship. I'm not sure why people believe that before the playoffs or before the BCS it was wide open. It wasn't.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 5:01 pm to DawgsLife
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Oh. In that case maybe we should just call all of the bowl games playoff games if that is all it takes to be meaningful. We will never have enough meaningful games, right?
Using your logic it would only make sense to go to 16 or 32 teams in the playoffs. just think of all the meaningful games.
It simply depends on how many post season games without opt outs you wish for. Opt out bowls don’t seem to bother you though.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 5:06 pm to DawgsLife
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Playoffs or no playoffs only 1 or two bowls had any bearing on the National Championship. I'm not sure why people believe that before the playoffs or before the BCS it was wide open. It wasn't.
I am not sure anyone is arguing they were.
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