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re: So are you done overreacting
Posted on 10/18/20 at 7:31 pm to crispyUGA
Posted on 10/18/20 at 7:31 pm to crispyUGA
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To have this QB room in year 5 is 100% on Kirby’s shoulders.
He brought in a projected 1st-2nd round pick grad transfer, then brought in a 5* transfer from USC. Can’t really blame Kirby for COVID and Newman’s decision to opt out. That was so brutal for us.
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Posted on 10/18/20 at 7:58 pm to crispyUGA
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To have this QB room in year 5 is 100% on Kirby’s shoulders.
Cant really fault him for what Jamie Newman did. It was an unprecedented move.
Cant fault him for the sickness Dwan suffered through either. That was equally unprecedented.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 8:21 pm to djsdawg
I have to agree with you. We had fields transfer, Fromm leave after his junior year, and then Newman opt out. Trying to blame the QB’s on the roster on Kirby doesn’t make any sense. I guess people expect us to keep 3 experienced 5 star QB’s on the roster. Cause, you know, they’d never transfer or anything if they weren’t the starter
Posted on 10/18/20 at 8:32 pm to Chainsaw Massaquoi
It says something about Kirby - or about Georgia. Fromm wasn't ready, but he left anyway. Field left and found success elsewhere. Newman left without getting the season he needed to make an NFL case.
It's like anything else. If one of plane model goes down it could be a freak accident and they look into it. If three go down in a month they ground all of them then look into it.
These things happen, but they don't happen back to back to back without something being wrong.
It's like anything else. If one of plane model goes down it could be a freak accident and they look into it. If three go down in a month they ground all of them then look into it.
These things happen, but they don't happen back to back to back without something being wrong.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 8:38 pm to chillmonster
Maybe Georgia is not the team for you, maybe you should find another, more perfect program...
Posted on 10/18/20 at 8:39 pm to lewis and herschel
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Maybe Georgia is not the team for you, maybe you should find another, more perfect program..
Lol. You're a clown.
ETA
As long as we can keep recruiting elite QBs this can be corrected. However, acting like there isn't something that needs fixing is a recipe for seeing the same results.
This post was edited on 10/18/20 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 10/18/20 at 8:58 pm to chillmonster
Speaking of clowns,this curropt asshat was responsible for 2 of our guys leaving. Quincy Avery
Posted on 10/18/20 at 9:03 pm to BreezyDawg
No overreaction for me. I expected a loss. Now I expect a strong bounce back for more domination of the East.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 9:05 pm to claydawg09
We had a glimmer of a chance to beat Bama with Stetson. A glimmer of a chance isn't really good enough.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 9:08 pm to GaDawg9977
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What sucks is we just let OSU in the top 3 and they haven’t even taken a snap and will likely play 7-8 games and qualify for the playoffs.
We have to win out to qualify for the playoffs. If we do that it doesn't matter what any other team does.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 9:10 pm to chillmonster
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These things happen, but they don't happen back to back to back without something being wrong.
Depends.
Do you think allowing players to transfer without sitting is wrong? Because thats why we lost Fields. In any other era, he never leaves for that reason.
Can you blame kirby for the dwan injury? No.
Cam you blame kirby for newman quitting? No. No doubt bad advice.
Can you blame kirby for Fromm leaving? Lots of JR's leave thinking they get drafted higher than they end up. Heck, Kirby might have encouraged it because of Newman.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 9:13 pm to Whiznot
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We have to win out to qualify for the playoffs. If we do that it doesn't matter what any other team does.
Split with Bama and beat Florida and we're in the playoff - just like we thought before the season.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 9:40 pm to djsdawg
Depends
You're right. It could all be coincidence, but you have to admit that coaches get kids to stay all the time as well. Clemson does it routinely.
Murray sat until his senior year. Burrow waited two years. Should we list all of the guys who sat until their junior years to transfer?
The ones who leave seem to either:
1. Have a gripe. They think they're better than the starter/ think they got an unfair shake/ don't like the program or coach. (King, Gatewood, Fields)
2. Are behind (often) younger guys who they know are too effective to sit. (Franks, Daniels, Burrow).
Also I don't know of a single kid who transferred to a place then decided to opt out a couple of months after hitting campus. And we can't say it's people in the kid's orbit giving bad advice. Every kid I listed has folks whispering in their ear - they're part of the playing field.
All of this is circumstantial. I don't know. It's just curious that Georgia under Kirby repeatedly has these issues and only with this specific position.
You're right. It could all be coincidence, but you have to admit that coaches get kids to stay all the time as well. Clemson does it routinely.
Murray sat until his senior year. Burrow waited two years. Should we list all of the guys who sat until their junior years to transfer?
The ones who leave seem to either:
1. Have a gripe. They think they're better than the starter/ think they got an unfair shake/ don't like the program or coach. (King, Gatewood, Fields)
2. Are behind (often) younger guys who they know are too effective to sit. (Franks, Daniels, Burrow).
Also I don't know of a single kid who transferred to a place then decided to opt out a couple of months after hitting campus. And we can't say it's people in the kid's orbit giving bad advice. Every kid I listed has folks whispering in their ear - they're part of the playing field.
All of this is circumstantial. I don't know. It's just curious that Georgia under Kirby repeatedly has these issues and only with this specific position.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 9:55 pm to chillmonster
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Also I don't know of a single kid who transferred to a place then decided to opt out a couple of months after hitting campus
Don't ya think the circumstances are just a tad rare in 2020?
Fields also had buyers remorse when he first landed at the OSU
campus and wanted to come back to
Athens.If there was some type of
"toxic environment" I don't think
he woulda thought about returning.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:09 am to RD Dawg
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Don't ya think the circumstances are just a tad rare in 2020?
Fields also had buyers remorse when he first landed at the OSU
campus and wanted to come back to
Athens.If there was some type of
"toxic environment" I don't think
he woulda thought about returning.
With Newman I'm talking about these guys.
Nobody's saying it's a toxic environment. If it was a guy like LeCounte would have left as well.
I'm not even definitively saying there's anything at all. I'm pointing out that it's odd that this effects Georgia QBs more than any other position at any other school - and significantly more than other elite programs, and it's possible there is a tie in with the way Kirby manages the position.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 12:10 am
Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:38 am to chillmonster
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You're right. It could all be coincidence, but you have to admit that coaches get kids to stay all the time as well. Clemson does it routinely.
Murray sat until his senior year. Burrow waited two years. Should we list all of the guys who sat until their junior years to transfer?
The ones who leave seem to either:
1. Have a gripe. They think they're better than the starter/ think they got an unfair shake/ don't like the program or coach. (King, Gatewood, Fields)
2. Are behind (often) younger guys who they know are too effective to sit. (Franks, Daniels, Burrow).
Also I don't know of a single kid who transferred to a place then decided to opt out a couple of months after hitting campus. And we can't say it's people in the kid's orbit giving bad advice. Every kid I listed has folks whispering in their ear - they're part of the playing field.
All of this is circumstantial. I don't know. It's just curious that Georgia under Kirby repeatedly has these issues and only with this specific position.
Times have changed:
The transfer portal is real.
COVID's effect on CFB is real.
Not having to Sit out a season is real.
None of that existed a few years ago. Its almost as if you arent taking any of that into account.
Also, we know for a fact that Newman and Fields both deal with a known problematic QB coach. He seeds of discontent into these kids minds, which leads to transfers, and also QUITTING.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 2:58 am
Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:03 am to djsdawg
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Also, we know for a fact that Newman and Fields both deal with a known problematic QB coach
Maybe, but Avery worked with Watson - no issues, Trevor Lawrence - no issues, Jalen Hurts - no issue, and at least one other NFL guy. That's not including Fields who's now flourishing and perfectly happy somewhere else.
So in the past 6 years Avery has helped produce 3 NFL first round picks, at least 3 All Americans, and 3 NCAA Championship QBs; and now multiple successful pros pay him very good money to work with them. Looks to me like the guy has earned plenty of credibility and has the ear of future stars at the position - especially those in Atlanta.
My advice to Georgia? Prioritize building a relationship with this guy as much as we do with any HS coaches. I bet Dabo, to whom Avery sent a couple of Metro Atlanta All Americans, absolutely loves the guy.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 11:20 am
Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:12 am to chillmonster
That guy is tampering with amatuer athletes, I believe that is a crime in the state of GA.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 10:56 am to lewis and herschel
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That guy is tampering with amatuer athletes, I believe that is a crime in the state of GA.
He helps develop All Americans and first round picks. The only person in the country with as good a recent track record is Lincoln Riley.
Right now I'm really interested in his opinion on Georgia QB management. Maybe that guy has some answers, because I don't.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:13 am to BreezyDawg
Not done overreacting.
There was absolutely nothing positive to take away from that game. The offense was bad. The defense was bad. Bama's D proved they're still a force to be reckoned with after looking vulnerable last week. The officials are still in Bama's back pocket. Nothing good came from this game. Nothing one could point to and be like, "yeah, it was just that one or two plays and we could've won!".
When we got our asses whooped by Auburn in '17 when Auburn destroyed us in the regular season, we made a lot of mistakes and knew we could beat them (and did in the SECCG). There was nothing about this Bama game that makes me feel the way I did about that Auburn loss.
There was absolutely nothing positive to take away from that game. The offense was bad. The defense was bad. Bama's D proved they're still a force to be reckoned with after looking vulnerable last week. The officials are still in Bama's back pocket. Nothing good came from this game. Nothing one could point to and be like, "yeah, it was just that one or two plays and we could've won!".
When we got our asses whooped by Auburn in '17 when Auburn destroyed us in the regular season, we made a lot of mistakes and knew we could beat them (and did in the SECCG). There was nothing about this Bama game that makes me feel the way I did about that Auburn loss.
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