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Posted on 10/4/21 at 7:34 am
Posted on 10/4/21 at 7:34 am
Anyone a little concerned that Stetson is our best option after Daniels?
I get he has experience but so do hookers who frick 100's of dudes.....doesn't mean they are good at it.
Stetson is a game manager at best and will be a liability vs a defense with a pulse...hence why we ran the ball for 273 Saturday.
Where are Beck and VG? They just not coming along? Is our QB dev lacking?
I get he has experience but so do hookers who frick 100's of dudes.....doesn't mean they are good at it.
Stetson is a game manager at best and will be a liability vs a defense with a pulse...hence why we ran the ball for 273 Saturday.
Where are Beck and VG? They just not coming along? Is our QB dev lacking?
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 7:36 am to Sandwich
This has been talked about since last season. There's nothing I can add, except I hope JT gets well soon.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 7:45 am to Sandwich
I think it’s Kirby being Kirby. Maybe he sees shite we don’t (most likely). I will say Stetson seems to have worked on his mechanics and appears to have a stronger arm compared to last year. I could be wrong and hope I am, but I don’t see us beating Bama with Stetson.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:04 am to Kneehigh
I think it’s pretty simple based on what we know from Kirby. What backup knows the playbook the best and I’d able to step in with as little adjustment as possible.
It’d frankly be pretty shocking if that wasn’t Stetson.
It’d frankly be pretty shocking if that wasn’t Stetson.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:22 am to athenslife101
In the age of the transfer portal, we are fortunate to have a back up with Stetsons experience and abilities
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:31 am to Sandwich
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Anyone a little concerned that Stetson is our best option after Daniels?
No, Stetson is an excellent backup QB. Confidence and familiarity are things you can't teach. Beck has much more physical tools than Stet, but I don't trust him to win us games. Stet can win the rest of the games on our schedule.
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VG
he's having a hard time with the playbook but he will be fine long term
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:34 am to Sandwich
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I get he has experience but so do hookers who frick 100's of dudes.....doesn't mean they are good at it.
But after dude 10, you probably get enough feedback that you know what you're good at and what you're not....which is what we know at this point. Better than a total question mark.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:46 am to GregYoureMyBoyBlue
I mean I think Stetson is serviceable, but I don't see us winning a Natty with him.
We need JT and the fact that neither Beck nor VG can move into that role, to me, is disappointing from a development standpoint.
We need JT and the fact that neither Beck nor VG can move into that role, to me, is disappointing from a development standpoint.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:54 am to Sandwich
One guy clearly doesn’t have the head for it and the other is a true freshman.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:55 am to Sandwich
Hear me out...
Vandegriff played at PAC, a tiny little private school. The competition he played against was miserable. Not saying he doesn't the tools, but playing somewhere like that does not get you ready to immediately play at the SEC level. He could develop into a damn Heisman winner one day, but he's a project. I think the recruiting services fricked his rating up.
Carson Beck is what he is. He was a gunslinger in HS that put up gaudy numbers when he had highly rated receivers but really struggled his senior year when those receivers graduated. Beck probably has more arm talent than Stetson but he's also more careless with the ball than Stetson, and that's saying something. He threw a bunch of INTs his senior year and, in limited action in college, he's shown he's not scared to try to force a ball in there.
Stet is the guy that can extend plays with his feet but also has a pretty good arm and makes pretty decent decisions, usually. His upside is absolutely limited, but, when JT cannot go, he give you the best shot of winning.
Vandegriff played at PAC, a tiny little private school. The competition he played against was miserable. Not saying he doesn't the tools, but playing somewhere like that does not get you ready to immediately play at the SEC level. He could develop into a damn Heisman winner one day, but he's a project. I think the recruiting services fricked his rating up.
Carson Beck is what he is. He was a gunslinger in HS that put up gaudy numbers when he had highly rated receivers but really struggled his senior year when those receivers graduated. Beck probably has more arm talent than Stetson but he's also more careless with the ball than Stetson, and that's saying something. He threw a bunch of INTs his senior year and, in limited action in college, he's shown he's not scared to try to force a ball in there.
Stet is the guy that can extend plays with his feet but also has a pretty good arm and makes pretty decent decisions, usually. His upside is absolutely limited, but, when JT cannot go, he give you the best shot of winning.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:04 am to Peter Buck
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we are fortunate to have a back up with Stetsons experience and abilities
Is there a better backup in the country better than stetson?
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:06 am to Sandwich
We have seen this movie before. If Stetson starts vs. Florida or Bama, we are in trouble. Daniels and Stetson are not comparable.
If I'm d-coordinator against Stetson,
1. Line put your hands up
2. Plan for constant roll-out.
Game over.
If I'm d-coordinator against Stetson,
1. Line put your hands up
2. Plan for constant roll-out.
Game over.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:24 am to crispyUGA
JT also played at a highend prep school. If those schools are run right, small prep schools that recruit should be equal to b8g county schools.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:25 am to Hobnailboot
quote:Daniels is going to stretch the field more but Bennett is a year older from when he last played Bama. He's had his share of bad throws but outside of a few mistakes, he's shown that he's been able to deliver good balls at various distances, makes pretty good decisions overall, and has a good command over the offense.
We have seen this movie before. If Stetson starts vs. Florida or Bama, we are in trouble. Daniels and Stetson are not comparable.
I don't think anyone is saying they want to play Bennett instead of a healthy Daniels, but while Daniels recovering from his injuries, Bennett is the best option we have, and he's not necessarily a bad one.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:46 am to Sandwich
Monken and Kirby see practice everyday. I trust them to make the right decision when it comes to these matters. Stetson has the heart of a lion. His skills are not at JT's level and we all understand that. The kid gives it his all.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:50 am to Sandwich
With this defense, you could play QB, like Erk said if they don't score we can't lose.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:02 am to Hobnailboot
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We have seen this movie before. If Stetson starts vs. Florida or Bama, we are in trouble. Daniels and Stetson are not comparable.
If I'm d-coordinator against Stetson,
1. Line put your hands up
2. Plan for constant roll-out.
Game over.
I think it can be argued that our offense is at least as good if not better than last year. Floridas and Bamas are not as good as they were last year, though the drop off is greater with UF.
Last year vs both those teams, our defense wasn’t the greatest. We had issues on both sides of the ball, but this year, both those games line up to be more winnable with Stetson. Throw in that Stetson has another year and more game experience under his belt and Monken has a better idea of what to do with him.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:34 am to Sandwich
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Stetson is a game manager at best and will be a liability vs a defense with a pulse...hence why we ran the ball for 273 Saturday.
No, we ran the ball for 273 Saturday b/c Arkansas stayed in a 3-2-dime defense all day, which is a defense designed to stop the spread. That defense is not designed to stop the run.
That's why we ran for 273. Not b/c of any shortcomings for Stet
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:55 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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No, we ran the ball for 273 Saturday b/c Arkansas stayed in a 3-2-dime defense all day, which is a defense designed to stop the spread. That defense is not designed to stop the run.
That's why we ran for 273. Not b/c of any shortcomings for Stet
Shut up man!! Stop bringing up that our lineman had to run 4 yards down field to find someone to block and we were gashing their defense at the LOS all day. Stetson only had 72 yards…. He sucks!!!!
Posted on 10/4/21 at 12:12 pm to Peter Buck
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Shut up man!! Stop bringing up that our lineman had to run 4 yards down field to find someone to block and we were gashing their defense at the LOS all day. Stetson only had 72 yards…. He sucks!!!!
This... Get out of here with your "logic"... Posters want to be emotional and have hot takes, not be correctly pointed to the underlying reason why a certain game plan may or may not have been used.
Seriously though. The answers are here. Is Stetson a world beating QB? No... but it doesn't mean there is a development problem when he's still a better option than a RFr and a True Fr.
Carson Beck - simply put doesn't seem to have it between the ears. Has been lauded for his ability to throw the ball hard and accurately, but on the field, has looked less than impressive. He had a great Junior season in HS with a good surrounding cast, and fell off the map his senior season. Most who follow recruiting said, no worries, he'll have great talent in Athens, but at the collegiate level, it's harder to get bailed out on bad mistakes. Not to mention, the 100% lack of effort after throwing the pick is pretty much instant shithouse status.
BVG - True freshman coming from the smallest classification of HS. By all accounts, he has the talent *but* he's operating as our scout team QB. I don't even know that it's fair to say he's having challenges with *our* playbook, so much as he's having to dedicate a lot of time/energy into learning how to be our opponent's QB each week.
That's a clearly defined role, *and* in the portal era, it's honestly a pretty important one to give freshmen QBs ownership over something that lets them get a lot of looks against our defense that they wouldn't get otherwise.
Both of the QBs were high ceiling projection prospects, but had aspects limiting how game ready they might be on arrival. Beck checked out last year after things didn't go his way, and it sounds like he may have done the same this year.
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