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re: Mistake for Azeez to be opting out as a RS Sophomore

Posted on 12/24/20 at 4:20 pm to
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/24/20 at 4:20 pm to
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Our 2018 class were just juniors this season.


Okay. But our 2017 class was seniors. I mean we will always have players leaving early, but so does Alabama.

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People see great recruiting and expect results yesterday.
No, but we had the #3 class in 2017, #1 in 2018...we are 4 years deep into excellent classes. Don't get me wrong. We are having good years. But I am more talking about the intensity we are playing with, as much as the talent. The talent is on the field.

I also get that Kirby is only in his 5th year as a HC, and I have no problem with giving him time to grow and learn.

I am mainly talking about intensity. Playing through the whistle. Getting that little something extra out of the players.

Like I said....maybe it is my imagination, but we just don't seem to have that little extra ooomph we need to get over the hump.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/24/20 at 4:33 pm to
Wilson, Thomas, and swift made their move to the nfl last season and did excellent in the draft. That's the 2017 class and players with oomph.

This year, Lecounte,Webb, Herring, Rice, Shaffer, and Stokes are going pro.

That's not a bad NFL class, imo.

I'm not sure I understand your issue.

Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 12/24/20 at 5:55 pm to
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Wilson, Thomas, and swift made their move to the nfl last season and did excellent in the draft. That's the 2017 class and players with oomph.

This year, Lecounte,Webb, Herring, Rice, Shaffer, and Stokes are going pro.

That's not a bad NFL class, imo.

I'm not sure I understand your issue.





Apparently not.

My issue isn't how our players do in the draft. It's the field. When I watch Alabama they seem top have just a little more oomph to their hits. A little more hustle.

I can't quite put my finger on what it is, but there is a difference. I'm not sure if it is an issue with motivation, or what it is.

And again...it could just be my imagination.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42437 posts
Posted on 12/24/20 at 6:17 pm to
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I can't quite put my finger on what it is, but there is a difference. I'm not sure if it is an issue with motivation, or what it is.

And again...it could just be my imagination


Honestly I don’t see this at all. Our O line busts their butt down the field (or at least did after the disaster of the MSU game) and our defense flies all over the field and has been better than Bama’s defense the last couple seasons.

The main difference the last couple years is playmakers and offensive scheme. At least in my opinion.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/24/20 at 6:35 pm to
I think our scheme is catching up. Just need the qb play.
Posted by Dawg4Life
South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
462 posts
Posted on 12/24/20 at 6:45 pm to
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I can't quite put my finger on what it is, but there is a difference. I'm not sure if it is an issue with motivation, or what it is. And again...it could just be my imagination


I kind of feel this a little bit. It was an exemplary play. But watching the sec championship.

The interception to Florida that metchie hawks down and lays the wood to force the fumble (of what turns into points in a single possession game). Which WR of ours do you see doing that right now?

Granted that’s now how they are measured, but the mentality of there is a little bit more does seem real
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25490 posts
Posted on 12/24/20 at 7:04 pm to
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Which WR of ours do you see doing that right now?


You should pay closer attention to our special teams and all of the receivers busting their rump.
Posted by Dawg4Life
South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
462 posts
Posted on 12/24/20 at 7:36 pm to
I honestly don’t doubt that one bit. I probably do sell those guys short.

That was just a good example I could think of where it seems like execution is all facets, all times, all positions for them.
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 12/24/20 at 7:44 pm to
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Our classes have been as good, so there is some missing ingredient. Something is missing.


It might be as simple as talent evaluation. They're just better at getting the guys who are legit 5-stars, etc. (i.e., they pan out as good as, or better than, projected), while we're getting guys who are 5-stars on paper, but really aren't quite. Having such a turnover rate on the coaching staff might play into that - we just haven't developed as an analytical machine yet.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25490 posts
Posted on 12/24/20 at 8:23 pm to
We've turned over quite a few quality players from the 2017 and 2018 classes. They don't help the team if they arent on the team as upperclassmen (this shouldnt be a concern in the case of fields or cox as they left because of their position or players ahead of them. But there are a ton of other players who skipped out on upperclass contributions)
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25869 posts
Posted on 12/25/20 at 7:51 am to
He’s in some first round mocks already
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5072 posts
Posted on 12/25/20 at 9:49 am to
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My issue isn't how our players do in the draft. It's the field. When I watch Alabama they seem top have just a little more oomph to their hits. A little more hustle.

I can't quite put my finger on what it is, but there is a difference. I'm not sure if it is an issue with motivation, or what it is.

And again...it could just be my imagination.


I saw a video about the evolution of Bama player's bodies. S&C is a difference for sure, but our guys are on par with Clemson or OSU.

Scheme wise, the team is continuing to evolve on both sides of the ball. The offensive evolution is apparent, and on D the strict, disciplined, gap integrity, run stopping approach is becoming more aggressive in pass rush. I expect that to evolve further as the team puts up more points.

I'm not one who's happy with being close every year, but there's real reason for optimism.
Posted by Dawg4Life47
Beach
Member since Sep 2013
8423 posts
Posted on 12/25/20 at 12:06 pm to
True, but he is a redshirt sophomore.

He might get picked in the first, he definitely would be picked in the first round next year plus he would have three years exp. not just two.

Huge drop in money if he goes in the second round.
Posted by RunLindsayRun
LaGrange | Athens
Member since Sep 2012
2726 posts
Posted on 12/25/20 at 1:01 pm to
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He might get picked in the first, he definitely would be picked in the first round next year plus he would have three years exp. not just two.

Huge drop in money if he goes in the second round.


And a even bigger drop if he comes back and underperforms or suffers a injury.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25490 posts
Posted on 12/25/20 at 1:40 pm to
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True, but he is a redshirt sophomore.


So was Isaiah Wilson.
The NFL will draft players who are ready. Ojulari has a Von Miller quality to him.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27289 posts
Posted on 12/25/20 at 1:52 pm to
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So was Isaiah Wilson.
The NFL will draft players who are ready


You really think Wilson was ready?His NFL career is hanging on by a thread and a
arguably the worst pick in the 1st rd.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25490 posts
Posted on 12/25/20 at 3:03 pm to
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So was Isaiah Wilson.
The NFL will draft players who are ready


You really think Wilson was ready?


Where was he drafted?

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His NFL career is hanging on by a thread and a
arguably the worst pick in the 1st rd.


Had he made those indiscretions this past year in college, where do you think he gets drafted in 2021?

There is a difference between being ready between the gridiron and being ready off of it.
This post was edited on 12/25/20 at 3:04 pm
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27289 posts
Posted on 12/25/20 at 3:40 pm to
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Where was he drafted?



And? NFL ready or not? By that I mean actually taking snaps and making an impacts.

I've seen multiple high NFL draft picks that weren't "NFL ready" He's obviously one of em

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Had he made those indiscretions this past year in college, where do you think he gets drafted in 2021?



And the argument can be made those decisions and indiscretions were made because of the NFL contract and lack of of a college structure. Never hears a word about those issues while he was here


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There is a difference between being ready between the gridiron and being ready off of it.


Not when one effects the other and he was obviously not ready for either.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42437 posts
Posted on 12/25/20 at 6:56 pm to
Right now, all that matters is where Azeez gets drafted.

Wilson’s been a moron off the field, but he got first round $. That’s all Azeez should be looking for right now. I trust him to be fine off the field.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 12/25/20 at 7:32 pm to
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Honestly I don’t see this at all. Our O line busts their butt down the field (or at least did after the disaster of the MSU game) and our defense flies all over the field and has been better than Bama’s defense the last couple seasons.

The main difference the last couple years is playmakers and offensive scheme. At least in my opinion.




And you could be right. It could totally be my imagination and giving them the Bama bump.
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