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re: Mariah Parker & Tim Denson - Defunding the ACC Police
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:16 pm to S1C EM
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:16 pm to S1C EM
The world appears to be bleeding ignorance.
Everybody was worried about terrorism after 911 and money started flowing because it made us feel safe. Police became even more militarized. Reality is with the rest of the country armed to the hilt and certain areas mirroring war zones, thy kinda have no choice.
As one poster said, they have an impossible job with the vast array of drugged, mentally challenged, drunk, homeless, etc people they have to deal with.
It is utter bs that all these defund people appear to just want to ignore our ridiculous levels of violent crime, who is committing those crimes and all those people dying from criminals and police getting killed.
Everybody was worried about terrorism after 911 and money started flowing because it made us feel safe. Police became even more militarized. Reality is with the rest of the country armed to the hilt and certain areas mirroring war zones, thy kinda have no choice.
As one poster said, they have an impossible job with the vast array of drugged, mentally challenged, drunk, homeless, etc people they have to deal with.
It is utter bs that all these defund people appear to just want to ignore our ridiculous levels of violent crime, who is committing those crimes and all those people dying from criminals and police getting killed.
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:23 pm to AlaCowboy
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the police didn't have to deal with homeless people, mentally ill people, drug addicts, drunks, etc., daily, they could better police the community and protect the citizens from crime. What the more rational protesters mean by "defunding" the police is to greatly strengthen community outreach programs to allow the police to be police instead of social workers. I have been discussing this with my radical leftist daughter, UGA class of '98, for a while.
You can have ALL the "social workers" you want but you're still gonna have homeless,drug addicts, mentally ill and drunks.Its been phrased as a either or situation and it's not at all PLUS you're gonna have to employ a multitude of folks with college degrees as social worker s and rehab specialist.You're gonna need ALOT more money than just cutting the police force budget in half.
Sorry, NOBODY has actually sat down and run hard numbers to get a cost per patient on this.Its gonna DWARF police budgets eventually.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:31 pm to deeprig9
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That was 50 years ago, Andy Griffith Show times.
Good to know that 2010 was 50 years ago.
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Also, is this your father saying this, or is this you saying this, and saying your dad was a high ranking cop therefore your opinion means more?
I never said it did and he definitely doesn't agree. Stop being a defensive little bitch. You said some stupid shite with your first post in here and you're doubling down with more stupid posts.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:44 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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You said some stupid shite with your first post in here
My first post in here was that I almost bought a house in ACC and in retrospect I'm glad it fell through.
That's "stupid shite" ??????
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you're doubling down with more stupid posts
How about go frick yourself.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:05 pm to deeprig9
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My first post in here was that I almost bought a house in ACC and in retrospect I'm glad it fell through.
That's "stupid shite" ??????
I missed that one. I was speaking about your assumption of what I thought de-militarizing the PDs meant.
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How about go frick yourself.
Hey look at that. More stupid shite from you.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:10 pm to deeprig9
There has definitely been a militarization of the police but there’s also been a militarization of the criminals. In any city of size I’d be a hard nosed motherfricker if I was a cop knowing I’m potentiall walking into a bunch of angry idiots. Here’s what I have a problem with:
The us versus them “come home alive” mentality. I understand it but “protect and serve” used to be the mantra. Some stoner doesn’t need to be treated with the same aggression as a gang banger.
No knock warrants are a problem. If you have a warrant wait for the person to leave the house. If somebody stormed my house in the middle of the night I’d probably get shot too.
SWAT gear and tactics don’t need to be used except in the most volitile of circumstances. Just because you have a SWAT team you don’t need to go apeshit with with them.
Quit buying Iraq military surplus. You don’t need armored tanks in Athens.
Civil asset forfeiture is bullshite unless your convicted and the assets are a direct result of you crimes.
Finally, there should be little excuse for using deadly force agaianst unarmed assialants. My dad was in LE and you have plenty of means to deal with angry people. Shooting an unarmed person that’s approaching you should be a very limited event. That being said, if you frick with the cops or resist getting your arse beaten shouldn’t be a problem.
The us versus them “come home alive” mentality. I understand it but “protect and serve” used to be the mantra. Some stoner doesn’t need to be treated with the same aggression as a gang banger.
No knock warrants are a problem. If you have a warrant wait for the person to leave the house. If somebody stormed my house in the middle of the night I’d probably get shot too.
SWAT gear and tactics don’t need to be used except in the most volitile of circumstances. Just because you have a SWAT team you don’t need to go apeshit with with them.
Quit buying Iraq military surplus. You don’t need armored tanks in Athens.
Civil asset forfeiture is bullshite unless your convicted and the assets are a direct result of you crimes.
Finally, there should be little excuse for using deadly force agaianst unarmed assialants. My dad was in LE and you have plenty of means to deal with angry people. Shooting an unarmed person that’s approaching you should be a very limited event. That being said, if you frick with the cops or resist getting your arse beaten shouldn’t be a problem.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:18 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Hey look at that. More stupid shite from you.
Lets get to the heart of this.
You were asked, straight up, what you meant by demilitarizing the police. Hours ago. Since then, you've just been pecking on my posts. But you haven't answered or articulated what you meant. Just peck peck peck.
It seems like standard bullshite to me. Make a bold statement, lay back, anyone that questions it - attack!
Answer meansonny's question.
What exactly do you mean when you say demilitarize the police? Specifically in Athens.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:31 pm to deeprig9
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Answer meansonny's question.
I already answered it.
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Lets get to the heart of this.
The heart of it is you said something stupid like you do quite often and now your feelings are hurt and you're derailing a thread like you always do.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:59 pm to SquatchDawg
I agree with the us vs them mentality but I disagree about the surplus gear. I see no reason for the PD to be dressed like the military and blacking cars out either.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 12:08 am to RedFive
Not sure we disagree with this. Cop cars now are the newest and most high tech vehicles in most county.
Gotta spend that budget money!
Gotta spend that budget money!
Posted on 6/12/20 at 12:19 am to SquatchDawg
Recently a homeowner was killed when police was called to his house under a false domestic violence report. Turns out a now deceased family member by marriage called and said her daughter was being assaulted. The Sheriff’s Office shows up prowling around his house and ends up shooting the homeowner through the kitchen window because he was armed and investigating people outside of his home. The whole situation could have been avoided if they would have drove down the driveway in the cars instead of sneaking around his house.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 12:24 am to RedFive
There was a time when cops wouldn’t shoot your arse through a window. I would attribute this to the “us vs them” mentality.
Plus if you’re prowling around 8n somebody’s yard WTF do you expect?
Plus if you’re prowling around 8n somebody’s yard WTF do you expect?
Posted on 6/12/20 at 12:32 am to SquatchDawg
I hope the family sues Walker Co and lives like royalty the rest of their lives. Money won’t bring their family member back though.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 12:52 am to AlaCowboy
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What the more rational protesters mean by "defunding" the police is to greatly strengthen community outreach programs to allow the police to be police instead of social workers. I have been discussing this with my radical leftist daughter, UGA class of '98, for a while.
I mean, I get the thought. But ask her how she feels about going to intervene in Nellie B. If she’s not familiar, drive her through and see if she wants to be the unarmed, white-girl social worker whose job it is to de-escalate a situation there with no armed support. If you want these types of positions available to assist, no problem. Don’t de-fund your already under-staffed, over-worked police force (which will cause overly-stressed officers to make poor decisions); simply FUND YOUR NEW PROGRAM IDEA if it’s that important and the community really wants it. You don’t pull from under-funded critical services to do that.
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 1:05 am
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:04 am to SquatchDawg
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No knock warrants are a problem. If you have a warrant wait for the person to leave the house. If somebody stormed my house in the middle of the night I’d probably get shot too.
This. And Rand Paul just introduced legislation to do away with this, too. This kind of stuff, including the Walker County incident mentioned above, have no place in competent, service-oriented law enforcement.
There is an opportunity here for conservative politicians to make some real headway and build bridges with people that currently think they are the problem.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 7:51 am to S1C EM
Hasn’t this board hated the ACC Police since the beginning of time? Surprised the defund movement isn’t getting more support here. Seems like the easiest solution to the “why do our players keep getting arrested for stupid shite?” problem.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 7:53 am to S1C EM
White liberals are viewed as useful idiots to The Chinese, Russia, and those in the US who want to destroy this country...
And the last few weeks, they have been very useful.
My SIL saw the light in a matter of a week when she visited us when we lived in downtown Memphis. She learned she had not seen it all and that there was evil in the world beyond what she dreamed. Hell, walking into Kroger on Union Ave, dude shite in front of the doors in plain sight. Cured her bleeding heart.
And the last few weeks, they have been very useful.
My SIL saw the light in a matter of a week when she visited us when we lived in downtown Memphis. She learned she had not seen it all and that there was evil in the world beyond what she dreamed. Hell, walking into Kroger on Union Ave, dude shite in front of the doors in plain sight. Cured her bleeding heart.
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 7:57 am
Posted on 6/12/20 at 8:38 am to Hobnail
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Hasn’t this board hated the ACC Police since the beginning of time? Surprised the defund movement isn’t getting more support here. Seems like the easiest solution to the “why do our players keep getting arrested for stupid shite?” problem.
Except that there is FAR more to consider than just our players getting arrested. Many of us also note that these kids have to start making good decisions, too. ACC has a large population of undereducated, poor individuals who could easily get out of hand on a large scale, the likes of which we’ve already seen in larger cities with more robust police departments. They already struggle to respond to calls as it is, so how do you think they deal with mass rioting and looting, general civil unrest, if that breaks out? And when people know that they can take advantage of an overburdened system, there’s always someone willing to try it. And I’m only referring to what we’ve seen over the last two weeks. Emergency response call capacity, as a whole, would be significantly reduced and that’s just not a good thing.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 8:43 am to lewis and herschel
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My SIL saw the light in a matter of a week when she visited us when we lived in downtown Memphis. She learned she had not seen it all and that there was evil in the world beyond what she dreamed.
I’ve known a number of young people, mostly females, who realized after going to college in or otherwise moving to a big city, that inner city problems simply weren’t as easy to fix as they thought they would be. Several of those kids went to school in Oconee County. You can probably imagine the shell-shock of going to Georgia State and living on campus after graduating from North Oconee as a sheltered white female.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 8:55 am to lewis and herschel
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My SIL saw the light in a matter of a week when she visited us when we lived in downtown Memphis. She learned she had not seen it all and that there was evil in the world beyond what she dreamed.
This. I seriously doubt none of the people calling for defunding the police have ever experienced it.
Anyone remember back in the 80's and early 90's when the police still carried six shooters and a shotgun in the trunk while criminals were were using assault weapons? They had no choice but to militarize in order meet the demands placed on them. Demilitarizing the police is only going t make it harder for them to preform their jobs.
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