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Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:46 am to RD Dawg
Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:46 am to RD Dawg
I don't care about talent and arm strength. I care about wins and losses. Murray's turnovers led to some bad losses. Murray threw away his Florida freshman game and fumbled away a USCe home game. Loosing to UCF sucked also.
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:00 am to Whiznot
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Loosing to UCF sucked also
That wasn't AM11, it was the now-forbidden Batman gloves.
I'm like a broken record, but I'll say it again: Aaron Murray wasn't Aaron Murray Bulldog Legend until his rJR year. He was a heart attack generator those first two years, forcing the ball into coverage, hoping his WRs would bail him out of some poor coverage reads. Kid took time. Fromm is every bit as composed as Murray those last two years, though we haven't seen him execute on some of the ballsy scrambles that AM11 did, like against UT in Knoxville or the ill-fated game at JHS in '13 where we came back against Auburn before having our hearts ripped out on that fluke TD.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:04 am to Whiznot
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I care about wins and losses
I typically tend to agree, but not when comparing individuals considering there are such wildly varying circumstances across years. Murray played on some average to BAD teams, there is simply no way around that. You can't hold that against the guy personally. It'd be like saying brad johnson is a better QB than dan marino simply because he's won a super bowl.
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Murray's turnovers led to some bad losses
have you considered he also kept us in most of those games to begin with?
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Murray threw away his Florida freshman game
We only even made it to OT because of his 300+ yards passing. We were down 21-7 late in the 3rd and he tied it up late.
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fumbled away a USCe home game
he also threw for 4 TDs and was the only reason we were in the game due to our woeful defense and ST. You don't blame the defense for giving up a a 71 yard TD to a dlineman? or letting lattimore run for almost 200 yards? I hear the same argument form people who want to claim stafford cost us the tech game in 08 because of a pick 6, while ignoring the 400 yards and 5 TDs he was also responsible for. It just isn't a fair accusation.
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Loosing to UCF sucked also.
It sucked driving 95 yards then richt kicking a FG against ucf in the friggin liberty bowl. Our leading rusher had 60 yards. That's not on murray.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:18 am to VoxDawg
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VoxDawg
you hit on another thing, which is in no way Fromm's fault at all. Murray had to put the entire team on his back and single handedly win games for us, which he did numerous times. Fromm has had a tremdnous OL, elite run game, and excellent defense in his 1 year starting. You cant' say the same for much of Murray's tenure.
I think Fromm is absolutely capable of doing that, but we simply haven't had to see it yet.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:29 am to Whiznot
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care about wins and losses.
Please,you think we beat LSU and 'SC in '13 with Mason in there?How bout AU in '13? Not even close w/out him.How bout the '12 SECCG? Once again,not in the game w/out him
Our '11 O- line was a joke and our '13 and '12 defenses were 2 of the worst in UGA history
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:35 am to RD Dawg
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You think Mason was better than Murray? C'mon ,not even close. Mason was very good at what he was asked to do in '14 but was no where near Murray as far as talent and arm strength.
Are you talking about that arm strength Murray displayed on that int in the 2012 SECCG when he under threw Conley for a easy touchdown and got a cheap shot? Every starting QB in the SEC has the arm strength or they wouldn't be starting.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:37 am to DawgRff
BTW, I'm not knocking my QB's. Just voicing my opinion on Mason 
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:44 am to DawgRff
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Are you talking about that arm strength Murray displayed on that int in the 2012 SECCG when he under threw Conley for a easy touchdown and got a cheap shot?
If you think Hutson Mason had more arm strength than Aaron Murray you are out of your dang mind.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:58 am to thomasbrown_2007
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whiznot thinks mason was a good qb and better than murray
He also thinks Murray was a turnover machine. But I can think back, when clowney was unblocked and caused a fumble on murray. Everything was not Murray's fault
My apologies. shite.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:23 am to DawgRff
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Are you talking about that arm strength Murray displayed on that int in the 2012 SECCG when he under threw Conley for a easy touchdown and got a cheap shot?
Yea because 1 pass out of 1400+ thrown is an outstanding sample size
Lord,even Mason would admit Murray had a better arm.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:28 am to Whiznot
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Murray threw away his Florida freshman game
Mason pissed away the Carolina game by shitting his pants and committing a dumbass grounding penalty. shite happens. It's college football. Fromm threw a pick right after a huge turnover by our defense in the NCG, and he took a bad sack on 3rd down in OT that he got lucky Rodrigo bailed him out of.
I can nitpick any quarterback all day long.
If you think Aaron Murray was a poor quarterback, then it's clear you know as much about football as I know about aerospace engineering. Which is to say, I know that the rocket's supposed to go up really fast and that's about it.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 11:30 am
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:31 am to BranchDawg
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Mason pissed away the Carolina game by shitting his pants and committing a dumbass grounding penalty.
You can’t seriously put that on Mason.
1. The ball was deflected. The intention grounding call was incorrect IMO.
2. That was far more on the play call. We were running all over them and decided to get cute with an unneeded play action. That’s hardly on Mason at all.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 11:32 am
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:34 am to RD Dawg
Where did I mention Mason having a better arm than Murray. I just think Mason was a hell of a QB who would have put up some great numbers had he started more than 1 season.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:34 am to Dawgsontop34
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That was far more on the play call
Personally, I disagree. The fullback was open in the flat, but Mason panicked and threw the ball back to the LOS. You could at least look up and if you don't have time to see him, you spike it towards the eligible receiver.
ETA: went back and watched the play again. Remembered it wrong, you were right about the deflection.
He still could have thrown it to the back of the end zone, where there was also a receiver.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 11:37 am
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:57 am to BranchDawg
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Personally, I disagree. The fullback was open in the flat, but Mason panicked and threw the ball back to the LOS. You could at least look up and if you don't have time to see him, you spike it towards the eligible receiver.
ETA: went back and watched the play again. Remembered it wrong, you were right about the deflection.
He still could have thrown it to the back of the end zone, where there was also a receiver.
Mason executed it the way it had been seen in the NFL.
It is super easy to second guess when the pressure isn't in your face. Mason never made that same mistake again.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 12:10 pm to DawgRff
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Where did I mention Mason having a better arm than Murray
You made an idiotic comment about Murray's arm strength
by pointing out 1 pass out 1400 that he's thrown.
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just think Mason was a hell of a QB who would have put up some great numbers had he started more than 1 season.
He wasn't asked to do near as much as Murray and had a very good defense to fall back on.I think Bobo did a very good job of developing the offense in '14 and not putting too much pressure on Mason and maximized his talent.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:18 pm to BranchDawg
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Personally, I disagree. The fullback was open in the flat, but Mason panicked and threw the ball back to the LOS. You could at least look up and if you don't have time to see him, you spike it towards the eligible receiver.
I mean, it was a naked roll out of a PA toss, so he was not expecting anyone to be there and didn't really have time to do anything.
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went back and watched the play again. Remembered it wrong, you were right about the deflection
The reason this gets forgotten is because Danielson was very hard on Mason and never pointed out that the ball got deflected, and it was the incorrect call.
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He still could have thrown it to the back of the end zone, where there was also a receiver.
I don't remember there being one, but maybe I'm wrong. I still think he made the right play.
Gurley was averaging over 6 yards a carry, not including the long run that was missed because of the terrible holding call, and looked phenomenal all game. I'm giving him the ball 4 times from the 4 yard line. And I'm one of Bobo's biggest advocates. We still scored a ton, I just thought that was the incorrect play call at the time.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:42 pm to RD Dawg
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You made an idiotic comment about Murray's arm strength by pointing out 1 pass out 1400 that he's thrown.
Idiotic? On Monday dude? All I'm gonna say is you didn't get the gist of what I'm saying.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 5:08 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I'm giving him the ball 4 times from the 4 yard line. And I'm one of Bobo's biggest advocates.
This is the part that most people miss...
The ball was given to Gurley the next 2 plays and I don't think we gained a yard. Then the chip field goal was missed, I believe.
Lots of people act like Gurley was automatic when that just isn't how football works. The other team has quality players, too. And sometimes, different playcalls still yield the same result.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 5:18 pm to meansonny
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The ball was given to Gurley the next 2 plays and I don't think we gained a yard.
I like how you said that as a fact, vs. thinking that was what happened.
You would definitely be incorrect. No way did we run the ball on 3rd and 15 (if Gurley didn't gain any yards on 2nd down which I'm not even sure is the case).
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