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Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:22 am to RD Dawg
Tua truly shined because his starters through 4 the teamers were better than most teams starters.
He is also made of glass.
Miami fans are pissed as Tua will be out of the league in 3 seasona.
He is also made of glass.
Miami fans are pissed as Tua will be out of the league in 3 seasona.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 12:53 pm to RD Dawg
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???
Second half performances.
2017 NC, 2nd half, Fromm threw an interception with his eyes closed and holding the ball too long taking a sack. Ok, Freshman mistake.
2018 SECCG, Balled out the first 37 minutes of the game. When he missed Ridley on a seemingly easy pass for a first down at the inside Bama's 10, it went down hill from there.
Two games, 2 incomplete 2nd halfs.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 2:08 pm to DawgRff
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Two games, 2 incomplete 2nd halfs.
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2017 NC, 2nd half, Fromm threw an interception with his eyes closed and holding the ball too long taking a sack. Ok, Freshman mistake
He was FAR better than Tua in his NC game and better than him in head to head in the
'18 SECCG and Tua had big talent advantage
with his WR group.
I guess you're holding him to Joe Burrow standards...who arguably the greatest season ever for a CFB QB.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 2:23 pm to RD Dawg
Don’t think he is comparing him to Tua so why are you?
Posted on 7/15/20 at 2:36 pm to RD Dawg
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He was FAR better than Tua in his NC game and better than him in head to head in the
'18 SECCG and Tua had big talent advantage
with his WR group.
I guess you're holding him to Joe Burrow standards...who arguably the greatest season ever for a CFB QB.
I take it winning a NC isn't your #1 priority as long as Jake Fromm was the QB. I have nightmares about 1980 and wake up in a cold sweat.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:42 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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What makes you say that? What does Newman do/have better than Daniels?
Back to the Newman/Daniels discussion. Heard CKS was talking starting two QBs this year. Not knowing what the COVID situation does to the rules for this season could be a smart move. If either one tests positive, are they required to sit out? Best to have two starters this year to cover each other--just in case.
Thoughts?
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:11 am to Brick67
Green/Shockley worked well.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:08 pm to AllDawgCK
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Green/Shockley worked well.
I can only think of 1 game where it worked well with the 2.
What worked well was having shockley with experience as a senior in 2005. But I never really thought we had a ton of success alternating between the 2 QBs.
As a matter of fact, I didnt expect Shock to have a good 2005 based upon his body of work as QB 1B along with Greene.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:08 pm to AllDawgCK
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Green/Shockley worked well.
No it didn't. Richt did that to a fault and would not stick with the hot hand. Greene could come out of the gate on fire, and Richt would give Shockley the third series. When Greene came back in, he would be cold. That is EXACTLY what happened in the 2002 Florida game.
On the flip side, if Shockley came in and caught fire, Richt wouldn't leave him in. He'd go back to Greene. That is what cost us the 2004 Tennessee game.
In retrospect, the program would have been better off had Shockley taken over after the 2002 Clemson game when he saved our arse. The 2003 team with an experienced Shockley would have been better than it was because he could have masked some of the OL's problems with his mobility.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 7/16/20 at 6:29 pm to VADawg
Shockley was out for the year midseason in 2003 so Greene was really the only option down the stretch.
I agree with the above posts - the 2 QB system was rarely effective with those two. I understand why CMR did it though.
I agree with the above posts - the 2 QB system was rarely effective with those two. I understand why CMR did it though.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:36 pm to VADawg
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In retrospect, the program would have been better off had Shockley taken over after the 2002 Clemson game when he saved our arse. The 2003 team with an experienced Shockley would have been better than it was because he could have masked some of the OL's problems with his mobility.
Will always wonder what would have happened if he didnt break his foot vs SC. One of the bigger "What If"s.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:33 pm to djsdawg
Two QB systems almost never work. It didn't work with Ainge and Schaeffer at Tennessee. They flipped a switch when they turned it over to Ainge full time.
Leak/Tebow was different because they brought Tebow in only for special packages. He was basically a wildcat QB that year.
99% of the time, the right move is to let the most talented guy play and live with the results.
Leak/Tebow was different because they brought Tebow in only for special packages. He was basically a wildcat QB that year.
99% of the time, the right move is to let the most talented guy play and live with the results.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 3:03 pm to VADawg
IMO if you're playing two QBs with overlapping skillsets you're usually either indecisive or playing mind games like Spurrier.
It's a competition for one spot. There's supposed to be a winner. Yes, they're are careers and money on the line, but that's sports.
It's a competition for one spot. There's supposed to be a winner. Yes, they're are careers and money on the line, but that's sports.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 3:35 pm to chillmonster
It’s always quite the gamble when you have more than one capable QB, especially knowing the older will likely bolt if he loses the job. We were lucky the portal didn’t exist back in 2002, or else DJS probably pulls a fields, and makes us regret our choice.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 4:13 pm to djsdawg
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It’s always quite the gamble when you have more than one capable QB, especially knowing the older will likely bolt if he loses the job. We were lucky the portal didn’t exist back in 2002, or else DJS probably pulls a fields, and makes us regret our choice.
I've been a die hard Georgia fan for almost 3 decades. I'd always liked the fact that he waited his turn. Recently I've gained a different perspective. If Shock were my kid, I'd have 100% told him to leave and sit out.
ETA: I understand that's double edged. If he hadn't performed or gotten hurt before he could perform, Shock might not have gotten even a 7th round draft position from the hometown team or a cushy TV job afterwards. That being said, I'd have still advised him to bet on himself.
This post was edited on 7/17/20 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 7/17/20 at 4:20 pm to chillmonster
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If Shock were my kid, I'd have 100% told him to leave and sit out.
Same here, especially with how wary NFL teams are becoming about college QBs with only one year of starting experience.
If you have a caretaker and recruit a playmaker, play the playmaker and wish the caretaker well if he decides to leave.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 6:59 pm to chillmonster
All I said not-withstanding, Newman is still more polished. Last time each were on the field he was a better player than Daniels on a team with a significant talent disadvantage as opposed to a stacked USC team (even by SEC standards) playing in the PAC 10.
Also, in this brand new system there will be mis-ques.
Newman's ability to create positive yards with his legs when things don't work out will by invaluable.
Also, in this brand new system there will be mis-ques.
Newman's ability to create positive yards with his legs when things don't work out will by invaluable.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 7:29 pm to VADawg
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recruit a playmaker, play the playmaker
This. The teams who have won the NC recently have all won with dynamic athletic quarterbacks. People point to our underachievement having not won a NC since 1980 with so much talent, yet at the most important position on the field we have had only one NFL level talented QB and that was Matt Stafford with an insufficient supporting cast.
Bottom line: we need to recruit the most talented dual-threat QB we can get and make the most talented QB the leader of our team regardless of experience.
This post was edited on 7/17/20 at 7:30 pm
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